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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by rvz »

user-the-name wrote: post #147
keymone wrote: post #140

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Let them. Bitcoin is about freedom.

"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?

The road to hell is paved with good intensions isn't it?

The same users praising Signal about protecting the privacy of activists are also protecting the privacy of terrorists, criminals and extremists and with the introduction of a privacy coin called MobileCoin which makes funding invasions, scams and terrorist activities even more untraceable.

But at least Bitcoin is traceable. MobileCoin, Monero on the other hand...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by radu_floricica »

thriftwy wrote: post #243
radu_floricica wrote: post #197

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The problem won't be having money. The problem will be (hopefully) spending that to buy stuff. Sanctions should make sure companies can't receive money easily from Russia, i.e. have issues properly declaring those funds in their accounting. BTC won't help with that.

Russia has huge trade surplus and the solution seems to prevent Russia from spending money so that its trade surplus and currency reserves are even greater. Something is off with that tactic, unless it expects Russian economy to crash via integer overflow.

Well, much better than trying to try to starve them when they have a huge trade surplus and over half a trillion in cash. You hit the enemy where he's weak, not where he's strong.

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Post by HideousKojima »

app4soft wrote: post #270
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. I hope You would learn something from today's message by Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine on situation where few Ukrainian kindergartens shelled by Russian rocket strikes : > Today’s Russian attacks on a kindergarten and an orphanage are war crimes and violations of the Rome Statute. Together with the General Prosecutor’s Office we…

As horrific as that is, that sort of stuff happens in wars all the time. It's so common that it even has its own fancy word to make it sound less horrific: collateral damage. That said, unless Russia was intentionally targeting the kindergarten (and/or the Russians didn't reasonably believe the kindergarten to be housing enemy troops at the time) I don't really see how that can be treated as a war crime.

For the record I think Russia's invasion is morally wrong and unjustified.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by reaperducer »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #235
reaperducer wrote: post #192

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totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble. Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing

Would you be okay with Patreon funding terrorists? I mean we can play this game of what is morally correct and what is right and wrong for ages, but in the end it's safer to not get involved at all. For one, credit card companies would no longer deal with Patreon if they find out they were passing money to fund a military.

Would you be okay with Patreon funding terrorists?

Are Ukrainians terrorists? No. Ukraine is a sovereign nation under attack. Do you not understand that?

Inventing completely unrelated hypothetical situations and edge cases doesn't make what Patreon did right.

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Post by Darmody »

capableweb wrote: post #210
Geee wrote: post #110

You can use bank transfers and Bitcoin to donate directly, see this page: https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate/ It seems that bitcoin donations are pouring in (over $4 million already). You can watch the bitcoin address here: https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qkd5az2ml7dk5j5...

While they are in fact receiving lots of BTC, one transaction sticks out (80 BTC, 2022-02-25 09:55:18 [3,067,846.41 USD]), I wonder who has that much BTC to give away like that. It is impressive, but raises a lot of questions.

Vitalik Buterin, just to mention one. He tweeted his support to Ukraine. "Ethereum is neutral but I'm not".

I'm not saying it was him but it could be. And 80 BTC to him it's peanuts.

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Post by HideousKojima »

sam0x17 wrote: post #294
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #259

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Europe has promised 1.2 billion in aid and has been sending them armament for a while now. I much prefer countries and politicians sending them large sums than the small donations - of which Patreon and any payment processor in between gets a big cut - given by well-wishing common folk. That said, the US denied them financial aid though, Trump got impeached for withholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine ( ht…

Are we even at a point now where money can make a difference? It seems like within 2-3 days the existing governmental structure will be seized, along with (I assume) funds that are being donated. Is it plausible that Ukrainian gov officials will retreat into NATO territory and continue to coordinate resistance from there, along with the still-pouring-in funds, or is that a pipe dream?

In WW2 several countries invaded by Germany (and the USSR) set up "governments-in-exile" in London, so it certainly isn't unprecedented.

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Post by jacquesm »

dymk wrote: post #180
dotdi wrote: post #24

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One twitter comment mentions the account has been active for several years. Call me paranoid, but it's too big of a coincidence that it was closed exactly today.

The development of all out war probably had something to do with it

It's easy to have principles when there is no price.

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Post by monkeynotes »

alecbz wrote: post #183
danuker wrote: post #172

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Isn't state funding also crowd-sourcing? Except by force?

I don't think you can really consider it crowd-funding unless people are individually choosing to contribute to the specific cause.

Yeah, otherwise we may as well call all types of wealth collection "crowd sourcing". I think saying this is the same as crusades and liberty bonds is founding your observation on pedantry.
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