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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by crtasm »

praptak wrote: post #166
piokoch wrote: post #19

If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ or https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ this is a bit of a hassle, as UA government agencies can accept donations only through wire transfers, but that's just a few clicks in the banking app anyway.

Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua. I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

FWIW, https://ukraine.ua/ is linked from https://mfa.gov.ua/ ("Офіційний сайт України" in the footer)

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge.

The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies.

I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see the US trying to do a thing in the middle east for two decades only for things to go back the second they leave - or MAD. And the last one hasn't and will hopefully never happen.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by epicide »

ejb999 wrote: post #65
basisword wrote: post #35

Seems sensible. Private companies shouldn't be funding wars, particularly wars overseas from where they are based. The Ukrainian's need help but this should be coming from government's, not private citizens through a private foreign company. I feel like this shouldn't be controversial at all.

You mean like for the 8 years when the same page was up, and Patreon never had a problem with it? SO they were OK with it, until they suddenly decided when Russia ramped up the invasion - got it patreon, small invasions no problem big invasions, pull the rug.

Is it possible that it's more about the amount of money rather than just timing?

I imagine that the page recently started receiving way more money than it ever has.

I'm aware that the timing still looks bad and won't change some people's view of the move. I'm not asking for that. Just asking for at least an ounce of nuance.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sgjohnson »

basisword wrote: post #59
syshum wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be controversial, and I do not think people should just proclaim "let the government handle it", that is very dangerous idea and one that is getting us in to more and more problems The people are the government, when we loose sight of that we have problems. Clearly the governments around the world are unwilling to help

Then go out and protest your government to make the decision you believe is right.

Yeah... And if they don't, just vote them out. In 3 or 4 or whatever years.

In this case there's no time for that.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by rattlesnakedave »

sofixa wrote: post #190
T3RMINATED wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

>Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion

It certainly is not.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by koolba »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #235
reaperducer wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble. Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing

Would you be okay with Patreon funding terrorists? I mean we can play this game of what is morally correct and what is right and wrong for ages, but in the end it's safer to not get involved at all. For one, credit card companies would no longer deal with Patreon if they find out they were passing money to fund a military.

Funding terrorists and insurrectionists is always wrong.

… but funding freedom fighters is encouraged.

George Carlin: “If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?”

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by keymone »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #250
keymone wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh apologies if i don't give a fuck about their financial situation WHEN PEOPLE LITERALLY ARE BEING MURDERED BY A FASCIST REGIME. fuck you.

Glad we could have some sane discourse, thanks.

want some sanity back? quit supporting fascist regime. all employees are complicit if they continue working while knowing decisions of their leadership.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

cebert wrote: post #30
tomerv wrote: post #21

Direct link to Patreon's statement: https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive

I’m so disappointed with their stance here. Russians are slaughtered these folks and they can’t get funds to defend themselves? Sickening.

Europe has promised 1.2 billion in aid and has been sending them armament for a while now. I much prefer countries and politicians sending them large sums than the small donations - of which Patreon and any payment processor in between gets a big cut - given by well-wishing common folk.

That said, the US denied them financial aid though, Trump got impeached for withholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Tr...) if they didn't investigate Joe Biden and took the blame for Russia's intervention in the 2016 elections.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by KptMarchewa »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #252
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies. I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see th…

>The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2.

That depends on the definition of winning. In many cases, US military won everything militarily, but lost politically.

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