On the removal of Come Back Alive • Hacker News Board

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by moron4hire » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #69

basisword wrote: post #59

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Then go out and protest your government to make the decision you believe is right.

I would but then i would be labeled an "insurrectionist" and possibly have my ability to transact in the every day life removed... the US, Canada, and most of the "West" is trying very hard to make Liberty and freedom protest illegal, you can only protest some topics, and some actions by government and only with the approval of government that your protesting is OK

I feel like if you don't literally break into the seat of government, smash stuff, kill a cop, or take a literal shit on the floor you'll be just fine.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by rvz » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:21 PM UTC

jensgk wrote: post #68

"We don’t allow Patreon to be used for funding weapons or military activity." What is this then? https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns

This is an example of whataboutism at its finest.

Where is the 'call to military action' or 'call for violence' with guns or anything that is funding an active military campaign in your link? There is none.

This is a 'private platform' doing private platform things and they can decide to do business with whoever they want to and will point to anything that breaks their ToS.

Don't like it? Use cryptocurrencies for donations then.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Loughla » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:21 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #246

Loughla wrote: post #231

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In context: >fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision I think the idea is that silence is tantamount to agreement.

I understand the context and I left it out for a reason. It's an overly emotional and inflammatory take.

Fuck the company is fine.

Fuck the CEO is fine.

But fuck the employees who appear to be complicit is too much?

I genuinely don't see the difference. I'm not trying to be difficult, but it does absolutely make sense to me.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sam0x17 » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:21 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #259

cebert wrote: post #30

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I’m so disappointed with their stance here. Russians are slaughtered these folks and they can’t get funds to defend themselves? Sickening.

Europe has promised 1.2 billion in aid and has been sending them armament for a while now. I much prefer countries and politicians sending them large sums than the small donations - of which Patreon and any payment processor in between gets a big cut - given by well-wishing common folk. That said, the US denied them financial aid though, Trump got impeached for withholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine ( ht…

Are we even at a point now where money can make a difference? It seems like within 2-3 days the existing governmental structure will be seized, along with (I assume) funds that are being donated. Is it plausible that Ukrainian gov officials will retreat into NATO territory and continue to coordinate resistance from there, along with the still-pouring-in funds, or is that a pipe dream?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:22 PM UTC

dgellow wrote: post #286

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #250

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Glad we could have some sane discourse, thanks.

I'm sure you can understand that when people see their country being invaded by a fascist lunatic it isn't the best time to try to do tone policing. Yes people are hyperbolic, emotional, and irrational. They have perfectly good reasons for this. No, nobody cares in the current situation about the feelings of Patreon employees or their financial situation. Blocking Patreon from removing one of the main source of help…

You're falling into the same trap. You can care about Ukraine and about the well being of Pateron employees. These are not mutually exclusive. I understand the context surrounding this line of conversation but I'm not going to endorse or support someone saying "fuck your friends at Patreon" for something they probably have absolutely no control over.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by cdot2 » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #268

cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

Who would take up the role of morality police though? I mean would you still support it if the Ukranian military capture a Russian soldier and torture them? What if it's not the Ukranian military but IS? Or the US army, which is also guilty of war crimes [0]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

Are you arguing that we shouldn't support Ukraine?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sam0x17 » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

No, they still allow all the gun-advocacy patreons and things like that. It's more because of regulations that make it harder to exist if your platform materially supports foreign war efforts. Cowardly stance, though.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sam0x17 » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:25 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #268

cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

Who would take up the role of morality police though? I mean would you still support it if the Ukranian military capture a Russian soldier and torture them? What if it's not the Ukranian military but IS? Or the US army, which is also guilty of war crimes [0]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

If that gives you moral pause you should perhaps stop paying U.S. taxes as a U.S. citizen and see where that gets you.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by ttybird2 » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #190

T3RMINATED wrote: post #157

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

Wait, there are war crimes being commited in this invasion?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sofixa » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 2:29 PM UTC

ttybird2 wrote: post #299

sofixa wrote: post #190

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

Wait, there are war crimes being commited in this invasion?

The invasion is itself a war crime ( crimes against peace), and the indiscriminate bombing of civilian buildings as can be seen from numerous videos from Donetsk, Kyiv, Lviv, Mariupol, etc. are also war crimes.