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On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by monkeynotes »

sofixa wrote: post #195
monkeynotes wrote: post #154

Crowd sourced wars; we are living in a world a previous generation would hold up as a dark dystopia.

You should look up on the Crusades, liberty bonds, donation runs of metals from the population, etc. There's nothing dystopian about people donating for a military cause.

I see significant differences between now and a time before the whole world was wired together. Being able to sit at your desk and casually click fund a war that you are watching in real-time on Twitter and cheering on with memes on Reddit is dystopian in my mind.

I see crowdsourcing as being a distinctly modern phenomena enabled by the internet. I don't see it as being the same as historical methods of collecting monies from the populace. Are taxes often referred to as 'crowdsource'? No, and that's because there is a nuance.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

dgellow wrote: post #229
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck their employees - Seems a little aggressive doesn't it? I personally know employees at Patreon and kind of take offense to this.

> fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision You removed almost the whole sentence.

I didn't need to include that to prove my point. When faced with the same decision, I'm willing to bet that most people would make the same decisions. You have no idea about the employee's financial situations or their political stances. Saying fuck them for not doing something is irrational and ignoring all context. I get the sentiment but the language is inflammatory.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by thriftwy »

radu_floricica wrote: post #197
belter wrote: post #139

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The same Bitcoin will be used by Russia to avoid sanctions.

The problem won't be having money. The problem will be (hopefully) spending that to buy stuff. Sanctions should make sure companies can't receive money easily from Russia, i.e. have issues properly declaring those funds in their accounting. BTC won't help with that.

Russia has huge trade surplus and the solution seems to prevent Russia from spending money so that its trade surplus and currency reserves are even greater.

Something is off with that tactic, unless it expects Russian economy to crash via integer overflow.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

peakaboo wrote: post #178
runarberg wrote: post #159

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> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities and platforms that would benefit from donations, such as the Ukrainian Red Cross Society, Voices of Children, and Revived Soldiers Ukraine. There are also 3,000+ Ukrainian creators on Patreon – and thousands more using other platforms – who would benefit from our support. Patreon seems to realize that donations are needed and…

This is a war. Children are writing on reddit about explosions outside their windows. Patreon is doing the morally wrong thing here.

What if the children were living in the middle east and the money went to IS / the Taliban?

I don't believe you're as economically liberal in all cases. At some point you would draw a line.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

Loughla wrote: post #231
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck their employees - Seems a little aggressive doesn't it? I personally know employees at Patreon and kind of take offense to this.

In context: >fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision I think the idea is that silence is tantamount to agreement.

I understand the context and I left it out for a reason. It's an overly emotional and inflammatory take.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by keymone »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #242
dgellow wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision You removed almost the whole sentence.

I didn't need to include that to prove my point. When faced with the same decision, I'm willing to bet that most people would make the same decisions. You have no idea about the employee's financial situations or their political stances. Saying fuck them for not doing something is irrational and ignoring all context. I get the sentiment but the language is inflammatory.

oh apologies if i don't give a fuck about their financial situation WHEN PEOPLE LITERALLY ARE BEING MURDERED BY A FASCIST REGIME. fuck you.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by koolba »

reaperducer wrote: post #192
runarberg wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities and platforms that would benefit from donations, such as the Ukrainian Red Cross Society, Voices of Children, and Revived Soldiers Ukraine. There are also 3,000+ Ukrainian creators on Patreon – and thousands more using other platforms – who would benefit from our support. Patreon seems to realize that donations are needed and…

totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble. Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing

Assuming they’re a US company, knowingly laundering money to purchase munitions overseas likely violates a number of US laws.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by dgellow »

yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

Russia can destroy and invade the country. But occupying a place as huge as Ukraine will be hard. Even with a small set of weapons and fighters defending the territory you can make the place way more difficult to control than it would be otherwise.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

keymone wrote: post #247
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't need to include that to prove my point. When faced with the same decision, I'm willing to bet that most people would make the same decisions. You have no idea about the employee's financial situations or their political stances. Saying fuck them for not doing something is irrational and ignoring all context. I get the sentiment but the language is inflammatory.

oh apologies if i don't give a fuck about their financial situation WHEN PEOPLE LITERALLY ARE BEING MURDERED BY A FASCIST REGIME. fuck you.

Glad we could have some sane discourse, thanks.
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