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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by malbs »

malbs wrote: post #31
ary wrote: post #20

Contrast the TextMate situation to that of Sublime Text. Jon Skinner has done an amazing job of shipping something compelling early, updating it often, developing out in the open and giving his customers a good reason to buy the product even though it's still in beta . Allan Odgaard has made promises as to the quality and ship date of his product, and that's about it (to be fair, there have been 1.x updates). At this…

Thanks for the ref to Sublime - it runs on Windows. I have a TM license on my mac mini (hooked up via kvm), but since my wifes machine died I migrated her to the mac, so I don't really use the thing anymore (TextMate too), and I have to admit, it is a nice editor and I wish it was available for Windows. I'll definitely check out Sublime today though.

so I just downloaded it at work and had a quick look - immediate impression is "wow", it's really really nice, I need to put some mileage into it. I have some faith that the first impression was the right one

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by backwardm »

I have tried using a lot of other text editors over the past year or so—trying to find a viable replacement for TextMate. Each time someone in HN mentions Sublime or MacVim or new hotness text editor X, I give it a shot, use it for a couple of days to see if it sticks. I even tried going back to BBEdit—the editor I used for years and years before TextMate. To me, nothing compares. I'm not sure exactly what it is about it, but it just feels right to me. I even use only maybe 2% of what it's capable of. Still, there's something 'correct' about it.

In fact, I often think to myself, "Self, if TextMate 2 never came to be and you 'had' to use your current dusty version for the rest of your life, you'd be a.o.k. fine and dandy. Maybe by the time you stopped using a computer (and therefore TextMate 1.x), you'd have learned to type a little faster and maybe learned to use another 2% of the available features. Maybe, if TextMate 2 came out, you'd still prefer what you're using now." I totally agree with myself, then move along—happily coding away for yet another day in TextMate current.

So, when TextMate 2 comes out, I'll download it and give it a shot—just like all the others. If it sticks, and helps me enjoy my work a little bit more, then, just like everything else that does, I'll purchase it so I can keep using it.

The makers of TextMate will decide to do whatever they think is best for them regarding the price & past promises of free software, but I'm with the Marco.org fella in seeing (and paying money in exchange for) value in well crafted tools.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #76
viraptor wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He'd know it's not worth finishing before he made it to 2.0. People effectively knew they are paying for both versions, so what's the problem really? $60 is not free - some would spend it, some wouldn't. Why do you think you know better what other people want or don't want to do?

I understand where people who write comments like this are coming from, but I think if you take a step back and think about what Marco is saying, then as a response to Marco this argument is irrational. The fact is that Odgaard has many more lucrative options open to him than living up to an unfavorable pricing commitment from 6 years ago. Meanwhile, your own interests are poorly served by telling him to shove it and…

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by Legend »

I don't really own a Mac nor do I use TextMate but over the years, I have heard about its greatness. I am just dying to ask this but why not put an optional paid upgrade? That way, if someone feels like paying for it, you'd know :)

Sublime Text 2 (which is my TextMate :) on Windows) uses something like this - keep using it and pay when you feel like model and I absolutely love it!

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by scott_s »

teaspoon wrote: post #75
phillmv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

We're talking about people who already ponied up $60. From that alone, you can't infer (a) that another $60 is a pittance to them, (b) that they own a MacBook or any computer at all, (c) that they are professional developers, or (d) that they are capable of using vim. If you think that any of those is a given, you're spending too much time on HN. And how the concept of "charity" is relevant to paying customers of a p…

If someone already paid for TextMate, I think it's fair to assume that they own an Apple computer.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by backwardm »

munificent wrote: post #43

TextMate 2 is the perfect , yet heartbreaking example of Brook's Second-system effect. It's painful seeing an otherwise successful developer get so completely sucked into it.

Except we haven't even seen TM2 yet. It could be a more svelte, nematodeine, feature-less slice of software. Just because it's taken half an eon for even the beta announcement to come to fruition doesn't mean it's a bloat-ware type scenario. At least I hope it isn't.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by burgerbrain »

phillmv wrote: post #72
plainOldText wrote: post #68

If as a current TextMate user I'll have to pay for TextMate 2 I'll just switch to MacVim.

If you don't mind me asking, why on earth would you do that? 1. Your existing copy of TextMate will continue to work just fine 2. Have you used MacVim recently? Assuming TM2 has a totally painless upgrade path from TM1, you will be spending weeks getting used to vim. Surely, it is cheaper to invest in TM2.

"you will be spending weeks getting used to vim."

How in the world would that even be possible? Give it a weekend at most.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by burgerbrain »

aeturnum wrote: post #50
burgerbrain wrote: post #4

Paying for a text editor . Boggles the mind.

I've seen this reaction when I advocate for Sublime-Text 2 (I don't use Text Mate as I want a cross-platform editor). Excellent FOSS applications exist in the space, but individuals may value what they get out of products that cost money. To give an analogous example: You can get an old computer for cheap. Buying a newer computer might be still worth it - it really depends on what you're going to use the computer for…

Neat analogy, but in this case the "old computer" is far more powerful.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by teaspoon »

scott_s wrote: post #85
teaspoon wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about people who already ponied up $60. From that alone, you can't infer (a) that another $60 is a pittance to them, (b) that they own a MacBook or any computer at all, (c) that they are professional developers, or (d) that they are capable of using vim. If you think that any of those is a given, you're spending too much time on HN. And how the concept of "charity" is relevant to paying customers of a p…

If someone already paid for TextMate, I think it's fair to assume that they own an Apple computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_caf%C3%A9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86

I'm not trying to be pedantic here. Both of the above are commonplace in China, for example.

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