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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by malbs »

ary wrote: post #20

Contrast the TextMate situation to that of Sublime Text. Jon Skinner has done an amazing job of shipping something compelling early, updating it often, developing out in the open and giving his customers a good reason to buy the product even though it's still in beta . Allan Odgaard has made promises as to the quality and ship date of his product, and that's about it (to be fair, there have been 1.x updates). At this…

Thanks for the ref to Sublime - it runs on Windows. I have a TM license on my mac mini (hooked up via kvm), but since my wifes machine died I migrated her to the mac, so I don't really use the thing anymore (TextMate too), and I have to admit, it is a nice editor and I wish it was available for Windows. I'll definitely check out Sublime today though.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by bazerka »

burgerbrain wrote: post #24
calebmpeterson wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never used it; is it really /just/ a text editor? Edit: to clarify, my use of "just" wasn't meant to be dismissive or diminutive in any way...

It sure is no Vim/Emacs, if that's what you're asking.

Which I suspect is exactly what makes it so popular.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by kanwisher »

ary wrote: post #20

Contrast the TextMate situation to that of Sublime Text. Jon Skinner has done an amazing job of shipping something compelling early, updating it often, developing out in the open and giving his customers a good reason to buy the product even though it's still in beta . Allan Odgaard has made promises as to the quality and ship date of his product, and that's about it (to be fair, there have been 1.x updates). At this…

Same here, a few months ago I gave up on Textmate2 ever coming and switched to Sublime2 and I love it, the every month upgrade cycle is perfect amount of time between releases.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by damiongrimfield »

What are all the features that everyone wants? Why all the hype?

I gave up on TM2 a long time ago, but that doesn't mean I switched to another editor; I still use TM1 everyday. However, when I purchased TM1, I was promised TM2 for free, and therefore I'll have it for free.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by burgerbrain »

gecko wrote: post #21
alttag wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. Like, say, tipping at a nice restaurant. You may not like the food, but it seems others did, and they want to demonstrate that to the chef.

As I said: I can understand Marco wanting to pay. I didn't like my meal, Marco did, and he should feel free to give a great tip. I'm focused on the people who are saying that Macromates should charge users for the upgrade they said would be free. This would be equivalent to someone saying that, because they enjoyed their meal at the restaurant, the restaurant should charge a mandatory 25% tip to all current patrons o…

Accidentally down instead of up voted you. Apologies.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by eli »

nhangen wrote: post #6

I just bought it because I expected the free upgrade, and was patiently waiting. I don't plan on paying for it again.

Not be a jerk, but if you didn't plan on using Textmate in the mean time, why didn't you wait for 2.0 to come out before buying it?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by craftsman »

vtail wrote: post #17

I find it depressing that some people in the comments here wouldn't want to pay for a _key tool of their trade_ - assuming they work with texts professionally as programmers, bloggers, designers etc. Even 10% increase in productivity will pay for Textmate license in 10 days, assuming you get at least a minimum wage.

I don't think it's depressing. I can use emacs (others would give different examples) for free and I can use it in my daily work quite efficiently. So given that reality, I have a hard time paying for an editor, even if it is a key tool of my trade.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by georgemcbay »

vtail wrote: post #17

I find it depressing that some people in the comments here wouldn't want to pay for a _key tool of their trade_ - assuming they work with texts professionally as programmers, bloggers, designers etc. Even 10% increase in productivity will pay for Textmate license in 10 days, assuming you get at least a minimum wage.

I think the problem most here have with this (and I have the same issue myself, though for me it is hypothetical since I'm not a TextMate user) is that the way Marco worded his article he is suggesting that the TextMate creator should go back on his word and charge all users for TM2.

Randomly changing terms like that is BS regardless of whether a big corp or a small company is doing it. A lot of people who use TextMate as much as Marco does may be willing to throw in some more money for TM2, but going back on your word is never a good thing, so Allan should provide TM2 for free as promised and then have a separate Donate button or some other clever way to allow satisfied customers to pay for TM2.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by vtail »

craftsman wrote: post #37
vtail wrote: post #17

I find it depressing that some people in the comments here wouldn't want to pay for a _key tool of their trade_ - assuming they work with texts professionally as programmers, bloggers, designers etc. Even 10% increase in productivity will pay for Textmate license in 10 days, assuming you get at least a minimum wage.

I don't think it's depressing. I can use emacs (others would give different examples) for free and I can use it in my daily work quite efficiently. So given that reality, I have a hard time paying for an editor, even if it is a key tool of my trade.

What I was trying to say is that every tool should be evaluated using 'productivity gain vs cost' framework. It may well be that for some people productivity gains of TextMate vs emacs/vim/other editor are small and therefore paying any price for TextMate is unreasonable, since the alternatives are free.

But in a case where TextMate does yield to substantial productivity gain, "$60 is too much" is a wrong mental model.

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