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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by pigeonhole123 »

mrob wrote: post #49
sinyug wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Soybean oil I saw this video about seed oils a few months back.[1] Some of the information there tracked stuff I have been reading for a while. Decided to switch over completely to coconut oil and ghee (clarified butter). A comment on the video that matches my view on the subject: > If you want to be healthy just do the exact opposite of everything we were told about nutrition by mainstream experts for decades [1]…

>ghee Cholesterol oxides in Indian ghee: possible cause of unexplained high risk of atherosclerosis in Indian immigrant populations: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2887943/ "Substantial amounts of cholesterol oxides were found in ghee (12.3% of sterols), but not in fresh butter"

There are thousands of possible explanations. Indians may just tolerate the western lifestyle worse than westerners do. This study seems to look at a single chemical compound that is suspected of some connection with atherosclerosis, which is pretty thin.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

primroot wrote: post #80
xhrpost wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linoleic acid is what induces torpor Is this the same as ALA in flax-seed oil that is supposedly good for us?

ALA is alpha-linolenic acid (the essential omega-3 fatty acid). LA is linoleic acid (the essential omega-6 fatty acid). They are the "raw materials" of the Arachidonic Acid Cascade.

So does this mean they should have similar effects on the body or that they are different enough to be essentially just two different fats that are significantly different enough not to draw conclusions that ALA causes the same (potential) effects as LA as brought forth in the article?

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Post by SquareWheel »

09bjb wrote: post #65
adamgordonbell wrote: post #30

What products contain soybean oil? I use canola or olive oil, but not sure I've ever bought soybean oil. Is there any reason to think canola would be better?

Canola is a branding name to distract you from the fact that the oil is technically from the nearly un-marketable "rapeseed".

Canola is a genetic evolution of rapeseed. They are not the same thing.

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Post by pigeonhole123 »

clevergadget wrote: post #95
pigeonhole123 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. We have common genes going back to mammals who did experience torpor. 2. A study doesn't "own" their data and have exclusive right to interpret this data 3. Someone selling something that they think is beneficial to their customer, does not mean it is not beneficial. I would say most people who sell things honestly think their customers will benefit from their product.

tell me you've never worked in sales without telling me you've never worked in sales

Can we apply this argument to everything that's for sale? Seed oils are for sale too...

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Post by Pyramus »

09bjb wrote: post #62
atlantas wrote: post #25

My understanding is that most of the oils we use are unhealthy. They are highly processed and inflammatory. The good oils are avocado oil, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. Is this correct?

It's more nuanced than that but you could do a lot worse than that list. Fat profile matters, and smoke point matters, e.g. olive oil is great but if you're frying stuff with it you're turning a lot of it toxic; avocado oil is better for high heat.

I thought it was a common myth that the smoke point of an oil correlates with toxicity -- do you have a source that there is a causal relationship?

The reason for olive oil not being used for deep frying is mostly taste and cost, as far as I know.

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Post by admn2 »

jacobmischka wrote: post #8

What is soybean oil traditionally called in the US? I've never actually seen "soybean oil" myself (though it surely exists). Is this the same as "vegetable oil"?

I was at Target in the sauce aisle and I couldn't believe how literally every sauce I picked up had Soybean oil as the first ingredient.

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Post by jccooper »

qiskit wrote: post #27
renewiltord wrote: post #6

Soybean oil the most widely consumed? I would never have guessed. Figured canola would be.

I figured the cheapest oil ( vegetable, canola, etc ) would be the most widely used cooking oil as well. I've never even heard of soybean oil let alone know anyone who uses soybean oil.

"Vegetable oil" is likely to be partially or mostly soy, as it's the cheapest vegetable oil.

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Post by telchior »

ghostly_s wrote: post #61
telchior wrote: post #44

Taking account that this is unproven in humans -- it's enough for me to avoid soybean oil, as cooking oil choice is not very important for my palate. That said, which oils would you use for frying and baking? Most high smoke point oils are, like soybean, polyunsaturated, so I'd guess that they could have some of the same (proposed) negative effects. Bonus points if the alternative is widely available (I see potential…

Peanut oil is most often recommended for Asian cuisine.

I currently use peanut oil, but it's still 30% PUFA. Presumably if PUFAs are bad (again, unproven!) then there would be something better.
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