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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by nickpp » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:31 AM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #360

nickpp wrote: post #92

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The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

Take a big dose of Realpolitik and leave the "ought to"s behind. There's no nanny to tattle to. Nuclear war is a losing move for us all. Don't encourage it's happening out of some sense of moral justice that will kill billions.

The only way to stop a monster from destroying you is make him afraid you'll crush him back. If you let him know you are willing to let him do anything to save your skin, he will do it. Including destroying you, in the end.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by 99_00 » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:32 AM UTC

anshumankmr wrote: post #217

It is quite interesting to see publications like Jacobin posting obvious flame bait such as this: https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599 . Even Tucker Carlson is parroting Russian propaganda. https://i.redd.it/pr9tnneyemj81.png I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

Do you have counter arguments to Jacobin and Tucker Carlson or just insults?

>I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

I remember people talking like this at the start of the Syrian civil war.

I hope the fighting ends as quickly as possible. I don't care who "wins".

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by jpgvm » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:34 AM UTC

uejfiweun wrote: post #288

postingawayonhn wrote: post #253

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I expect Russia will take complete control of the territory claimed by the breakaway provinces. It may decide to annex them. I don't expect them to occupy the rest of Ukraine. They will probably settle for destroying large parts of the Ukrainian military.

Will Ukraine do any sort of fighting back? I ask because it seems to me that the Western politicans are constrained by public opinion. They will not issue major sanctions if they don't have to, they'd rather keep the markets afloat. In my view only real visceral footage of the horror of war could compel the Western publics to actually get mad to the point where the politicians impose serious sanctions on Russian gas…

Define "fighting back". If you mean they will attempt to defend their land and cities, then yes. If you mean strike back at Russia then no chance. Ukraine simply doesn't have the tools necessary to mount any sort of counter-attack and even if they did the Russians effectively have them surrounded right now. So it would have to be ICBMs or similar long range weapons which they no longer possess.

Unfortunately this is what happens when countries are pressured to de-nuclearize, promises of Western protection and then fall to bullies.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by csomar » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:34 AM UTC

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by jpgvm » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:35 AM UTC

uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

It won't crash the economy but combined with really high inflation and having already over-expended QE measures it could lead to a nasty enduring stagflation which is probably worse than a crash.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:37 AM UTC

reitanqild wrote: post #256

forlorn wrote: post #136

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Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

Hi Russian friends. Good to see you here and good to read your view. You might see me se me support Ukraine or be angry about Russia, but rest assured that I have nothing against Russians as a people, only the ones who tries to invade Ukraine etc. I'm living in the shadow of Russia too and I've just filled my spare water tanks with clean water and I'll fill my car and get some extra fuel for my cooking stove later to…

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by kisstheblade » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:37 AM UTC

Why can't the western nations seaze all assets of the oligarchs. For example take their super yachts and drive them out to sea and blow them up as a symbolic gesture? Take control of all their appartments etc. Drive all russians out of their countries (yes it will hurt "normal" russians but so what, this is war, maybe they would start to think about their leaders a little bit more).

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by yumraj » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:38 AM UTC

cambaceres wrote: post #390

yumraj wrote: post #382

I'm sure China is watching this very eagerly and taking notes. Fate of Taiwan depends on how the West and the rest of the World reacts against Russia.

The west can't do anything to stop China from incorporating Taiwan. The only thing stopping China is that they are not fully prepared yet, they will be in a few years however.

> The west can't do anything to stop China from incorporating Taiwan.

Who knows, I certainly don't. Except, I believe that Taiwan is much more important to the rest of the World than Ukraine, (no disrespect intended towards Ukraine). Also, Taiwan has been preparing for this longer and not sure but it seems they have better equipped and prepared military. Then there's the matter of about 100 miles of Taiwan Strait between them..

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Thorrez » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:40 AM UTC

zionic wrote: post #42

wyager wrote: post #26

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Nuclear proliferation, like it or not, has done more for global peace than US military/trade hegemony. Ukraine gave up all its nukes in the 90s which is why this is happening now.

They gave up those nukes with the promise we would protect them. That trick of ours won’t work again.

Was there a promise that the US would defend them?

I don't see that in the list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...

What I do see is a promise made by both the US and Russia to "[r]efrain from the threat or the use of force against [...] Ukraine." So Russia definitely broke the promise, and I don't see where the US broke it.

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Post by throwaway2037 » Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:40 AM UTC

8note wrote: post #117

mc32 wrote: post #91

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This is too simple. Ukraine and Russia, Orthodox and Catholics, Polish, Ukrainians and Russians have had a varied history in the proximate territories. Despite the bluster of "I'm the only one who's gone toe to toe with Putin" there is only so much anyone can do in this situation. If KSA decided to invade one of its neighbors, there is only so much anyone could do because doing anything would severely disrupt energy.…

I have a strong feeling that the US has missiles stationed in both Japan and Korea, which is about the same as putting them in Taiwan for this comparison

Regarding official sources, US does not share nuclear weapons with anyone outside of Europe. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

Even Canada does not share nuclear weapons with the US. That genuinely surprised me. US and Canada have unbelievably interconnected militaries -- see NORAD and various Artic zone military bases.