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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by astrange »

qwertox wrote: post #261
0a3feeb wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine won't exist in 48 hours; the fact that the Azov battalion exists should be an indicator that very few will fight for the government.

Hmmm, I was wondering what RT (German version) [0] meant by Putin wanting to denazify the Ukraine ("Putin launches special military operation to protect Donbass and denazify Ukraine"). Since they (Azov) are headquartered in Donetsk Oblast, is it them who Putin wants to permanently remove right now, and is this his purpose for starting this war? [0] https://de.rt.com/europa/132333-putin-verkundet-militarische...

“Nazi” in Russia means “someone who attacks Russia”. The president of Ukraine is Jewish.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by sillysaurusx »

I’m trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine. Since smuggling is a hack, I’d like to ask HN for suggestions on how to pull this off.

His elderly father is being drafted. I got a DM from a mutual asking me whether there’s anything I could do for them. I have money but no knowledge of the country; they live there but have no money.

During WW2, various affluent people helped smuggle Jews out of Germany. I’d like to help my friend’s family in a similar way. But the reality of doing this is very different than the stories from history.

Currently my only plan is to yeet some cash at them and say good luck. But I was hoping to come up with something better.

I could book an airbnb for their family in a neighboring country, for example.

Does anyone know if the busses are still running? Is it possible to leave Ukraine right now via traditional means, or would they have to hoof it on foot? If they need to walk, does anyone have a suggestion on which part of the border might be friendly for an elderly family to cross?

I know this sounds unlikely, but given the choice between unlikely and “do nothing,” I’ll bet on unlikely.

EDIT: I made a twitter thread to share updates: https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1496761074258952193

And a second HN comment further upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30451691

It turns out that other people are trying to do this too. If we pool our knowledge, our chances probably go way up. Definitely get in touch.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by unethical_ban »

ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

Two US-owned companies remotely accessing peoples' mobile Internet devicces/cameras/personal document storage and disabling them throughout a country that just went to war?

How does that possibly sound in any way like a good idea?

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by tjansen »

melony wrote: post #337
nradov wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

Germany could have stopped the situation from deteriorating further weeks ago, but the new government are idiots.

How? Policies regarding Russia haven't changed. It started in the Schroeder-era.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Fricken »

rectang wrote: post #200
paxys wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now too different from the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan?

It's certainly different from Afghanistan. The invasion of Afghanistan by the United States was preceded by an attack by Al Qaeda on New York City. The attack by Russia on Ukraine is completely unprovoked.

I feel like I'm being way too obvious here, but Al Qaeda is not Afghanistan or Iraq.

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Post by watwut »

tuckerman wrote: post #53
byteski wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations! You bring an idea to brick all Russian phones including phones of opposition, people who against the war, political prisoners, and other people who just live in the country.

I don't fault OP for brainstorming ideas, especially since I assume its done with the intent of finding ways to protect civilians, but you point out what is critical here: the west cannot give up on the Russian people. By-and-large they do not support this act of war and the best way to further our interests is to continue to foster a desire for change in them.

They read about Ukrainien terrorists and Ukraine aggression and simar daily.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by ncann »

melony wrote: post #337
nradov wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

Germany could have stopped the situation from deteriorating further weeks ago, but the new government are idiots.

What can they realistically do? Send German troops there? It won't happen ever, we both know it. Shutdown Nordstream 2 earlier? It's unlikely to have any effect. Direct supply of weapons into Ukraine? Earlier and preemptive sanctions? None of that will deter Putin, in fact it will probably just encourage him to act faster.

You also have to take into consideration the last 2 times Germany entered a conflict it didn't work out too well for them, so they have all the more reasons to be reserved.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by jusssi »

csee wrote: post #100
jdrc wrote: post #82

how much support from russians does putin have for this kind of invasion?

Half of Russia supports an invasion. A minority is opposed. Was a poll

I wonder if it's the half who have no risk of getting conscripted into implementing that invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

nickpp wrote: post #92
Gatsky wrote: post #75

> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

Take a big dose of Realpolitik and leave the "ought to"s behind. There's no nanny to tattle to. Nuclear war is a losing move for us all. Don't encourage it's happening out of some sense of moral justice that will kill billions.
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