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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by sorry_outta_gas »

wyager wrote: post #26
dealforager wrote: post #8

I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

Nuclear proliferation, like it or not, has done more for global peace than US military/trade hegemony. Ukraine gave up all its nukes in the 90s which is why this is happening now.

It's hard to say, right now it looks like it's just letting countries armed to the teeth with them dominate whoever they want

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by zionic »

wyager wrote: post #26
dealforager wrote: post #8

I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

Nuclear proliferation, like it or not, has done more for global peace than US military/trade hegemony. Ukraine gave up all its nukes in the 90s which is why this is happening now.

They gave up those nukes with the promise we would protect them.

That trick of ours won’t work again.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by nickpp »

Barrin92 wrote: post #24
ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

Russian tanks and artillery don't use the Google Play Store. You're witnessing a mechanized land war in Ukraine, Silicon Valley won't solve this one.

It’s all information our days though.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by MattGaiser »

nickpp wrote: post #35
MattGaiser wrote: post #4

I await the Russian trolls to tell us that this is all Western propaganda.

Do not forget the "useful idiots' who will whitewash anything the enemies of the west do just because they align with their ideology better than the free world does.

My response to that is the same as it has historically been. We don't need a wall to keep our people in. If you wish to go to North Korea, you are free to do so.

Fair warning though, it doesn't work the same way in reverse.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by NewJazz »

rdtsc wrote: post #37

I am curious, what do Russians think of this. Does anyone support him? Is it completely just one maniac with his friends running this. Is his propaganda that effective that Russians agree with any of it. I think if anyone can stop him, it has to be ordinary Russians. I don’t see sanctions or warnings from Biden or EU doing anything. And they will never directly step in and protect the Ukranian people.

Russians (some of them, to clarify) associate the current Ukrainian regime with Nazism/fascism. After all, far right groups were a major part of the 2014 revolution/putsch.

https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-au... (note: the disinformation section is especially relevant)

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by jacobolus »

ripvanwinkle wrote: post #32

To some extent this situation feels analogous to a street mugging happening in very slow motion The thug accosts the victim, threatens and then proceeds to assault the victim in full view of a large number of bystanders who are numerous enough to defend the victim and alter the outcome but not convicted enough to take on the inconvenience of doing so. Nevertheless all the bystanders voice words of encouragement and s…

When the thug has nuclear weapons, responses get a lot trickier.

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Post by ngc248 »

ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

if only the tank's control system ran on ios/android ..jokes aside, doing such a thing would actually galvanize the russian civilian population to support the government.
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