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EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by pnutjam »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #246
Gareth321 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will paste the same reply to the other, similar comment: I'm glad you related it to my industry because I can assure you that not every L3 in Google contributes the same value to the company. They have vastly different backgrounds, education, experience, and aptitudes. Some are willing to work 80 hour weeks. Some aren't. Some are very skilled in technologies which aren't in-demand and don't currently generate a lot…

The only way I've seen this been well handled is to break out the value adding concepts to "bonuses" or add'l comp for details like: "we give people and extra $24k per year if they do oncall rotation" and we give "x% more to those who work more and contribute more" otherwise once it becomes public it turns into infighting of "we're both L3s, why do they get more?" (ignoring that one of them leaves early 2-3x a week t…

You know it's illegal to discriminate based on the family status of a worker; which is exactly what you're describing.

Jobs should have clear defined goals and workaholics should not be able to ruin it for everyone else.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by corpdronejuly »

ethbr0 wrote: post #95
iso1631 wrote: post #82

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The reality is I spend time applying for a job which claims a "competitive" salary for a "network architect", and eventually find it's in the 35-45k range "depending on skills" Those companies then run off to government saying "we can't employ anyone" Fortunately more and more job listings on linked in are listing ballpark salaries so it's easy to ignore them, there's a few coming up which are reasonable salaries for…

I get why employer's tendency is to withhold pay information. But ultimately, it's a waste of my time and their time if we're not close enough. So disclosure seems win/win.

Not when the objective is to increase the companies Visa quota not to find talent at market rate.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by balfirevic »

suslik wrote: post #170
hughrr wrote: post #68

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Colleagues of mine in the US work a lot more hours as well. I think our effective spending power in Europe is much better just on that point as well.

This is often an underestimated point. I get 9-5 no overtimes plus 38 vacation days per year (and an ability to purchase more). It would take a lot of money - more than I am likely to get - to convince me to switch to a US working schedule.

> plus 38 vacation days per year

Well, most of my programmer colleagues get 20-25. And they are also in Europe!

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

giantg2 wrote: post #354
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #352

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We were a communist country (yugoslavia) and there were always unions here... but as with everything, all the union leaders were in the party, and did what the party wanted them... same with the company directors... so yeah. But it's funny, because a lot of left parties here (even the ones with the red star in the logo) are always saying that we should tax work less, and tax capital gains more... but then the "other…

I remember hearing about a union in China and thinking the same thing - how the union is basically government run instead of run by the members. In the US, for years the corruption was organized crime controlling the labor unions to extract money for themselves mostly through "protection" from them starting strikes.

I mean.. technically the unions here are independent... but we all know which way they lean. If it was an organic movement, voulounteers and all that, then sure. But with the amount of money they get, and the amount of work they (don't) do, for me personally, it's not worth it.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by pnutjam »

giantg2 wrote: post #343
pnutjam wrote: post #276

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How big an environment are we talking about? More then about 50 servers, you're underpaid if you aren't making 6 figures.

I'm not a network administrator. I have training in that space. If it were really that easy to find a job paying that, then I would go do it.

You should look around.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

giantg2 wrote: post #202
mrkstu wrote: post #134

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I assume you're not in the USA? As a network architect, even non-coastal jobs are easily had for $120,000 and go up from there...

I don't think that's true at all. If it were so easy, why don't I have one? More people are paid below $110k than above (median).

The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't seem to agree with you: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

They report a median of $116k.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

trashtester wrote: post #214
ensignavenger wrote: post #117

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What I could not find in the document is how it defines 'equal work' and 'equal value'?

Pretty sure the wording is intentially fuzzy, so the special interest groups can add the meaning after it becomes law. I would expect them to push for a Marxist view on "value" of work, basically each hour is of equal value, but where you adjust for number of years of formal education, again where the type of eduction is not important. A developer with a MSc from a top college may be compared to someone with an MSc/M…

That seems doubtful. Europe might not have as much of a hard-on for free markets as the US does, but they aren't, by any stretch of the imagination, on the verge of abandoning market economics for labor.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by giantg2 »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #366
giantg2 wrote: post #202

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I don't think that's true at all. If it were so easy, why don't I have one? More people are paid below $110k than above (median).

The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't seem to agree with you: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... They report a median of $116k.

Ok, so it's $6k off. That's still $4k short of the $120k mentioned. Meaning you still have more people making under that amount. Especially when accounting for location (they state midwest).

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by mrmuagi »

throw0101a wrote: post #11

Ontario, Canada had this but it was repealed. :( * https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-job... Federally regulated industries in Canada have to do it: * https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/news/...

Doesn't seem like it was repealed from the first link, just not yet applied due to pushing it out into the future?

Although the personal emergency leave days and minimum wage freezes do not inspire confidence.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by BurningFrog »

fsflover wrote: post #270
BurningFrog wrote: post #230

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What if the people writing regulations are also dicks?

Other people should watch how regulations are written, i.e., participate in politics.

"It shouldn't happen" is not a great answer to "what if something bad happens?".

But it is quite common!

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