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Post by zzleeper »

karpierz wrote: post #241

Anyone have thoughts on how this all pans out? I think that the only way out is that Ukraine cuts off its arm to save the head. It acknowledges the territories as lost, and consolidates what it has left. But I'm not sure how they do that without: 1. The current leader losing legitimacy, and likely resigning. 2. Opening the door for other parts of Ukraine to split off. 3. Opening the door to Russia to meddle in other…

You give it the Cuban treatment (not that I think that's right for the case of Cuba..).

Basically, the EU and US need to agree to completely blockade the country, limit travel to it, cut its access to global financial system, heck even cut its internet (yay less bitcoin hacks), and do absolutely everything but war for now.

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Post by usrusr »

erispoe wrote: post #88
csee wrote: post #82

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There's reasons to doubt this. First it's very short term thinking by China. Victory is assured for them if the boat isn't rocked too much and they continue the path of economic integration and economic growth. Their economy will be 2x the US economy and then they will be in a better position to assert their geopolitical interests. Second consider the consequences to China of NATO expansion in the East, which the UK…

China has a very short window of time before their demography crashes.

Is an economy unable to survive a stable population even worth having? A growing population is inherently unstable.

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Post by eitland »

another_why wrote: post #57
_0w8t wrote: post #50

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I see that even among Norwegian greens there is growing understanding that drilling for more gas is perhaps lesser evil, as it reduce dependence on Russian gas in Europe.

Yeah, lets destroy the planet together. Frecking is green now

Fossils create a mess in 25 or 100 years.

Not stopping Russia can create bigger problems in 1 or 2 years (and it will come on top of existing problems.)

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Post by jonathanstrange »

chrisseaton wrote: post #266
jonathanstrange wrote: post #261

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He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a…

> Russia did not have interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory Yet there they are, right now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237

Yes, of course, and he was immediately fired. Your attempts to portray one official's opinion at a security conference, who was immediately fired for uttering it (a very drastic measure), as the voice of the German Navy are patently absurd. And, at pain of stating the obvious, it is not the job of the Navy to evaluate the possibilities of land warfare...

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Post by _ph_ »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #149
_ph_ wrote: post #127

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Sure you could heat with nuclear directly. Actually that sounds like something that should have been done when nuclear was in fashion. But you would have to produce a lot of new infrastructure and most of all, new nuclear plants. None of the existing nuclear plants is suitable for that. And that is sure, while keeping the remaining nuclear power plants in service a little bit longer might be a consideration (though u…

Germans can barely get their heads around nuclear energy. Pumping fluids that have been anywhere near a reactor into homes will be untenable.

I don't think this is the core problem, that would have been to build a nuclear reactor so close to a major city, that you could run a pipe to it.

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Post by rpadovani »

rosndo wrote: post #262
rpadovani wrote: post #257

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deploym... They are only 64k+ indeed. But they are already inside EU, since WWII.

And most of those are far far away from the border. You might as well criticize Russia for having troops sitting in military bases near Moscow. But hey, I raise you Kaliningrad.

Ah, you were talking about Ukraine specifically, not dislocating your troops in other countries, where the local population doesn't want you, 'cause you have the upper hand. My bad.

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Post by blitzar »

rosndo wrote: post #247
ezconnect wrote: post #246

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Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

Russia wants war, just look how close they put their country to our military bases.

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/russia-wants...

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Post by rosndo »

rpadovani wrote: post #277
rosndo wrote: post #262

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And most of those are far far away from the border. You might as well criticize Russia for having troops sitting in military bases near Moscow. But hey, I raise you Kaliningrad.

Ah, you were talking about Ukraine specifically, not dislocating your troops in other countries, where the local population doesn't want you, 'cause you have the upper hand. My bad.

I’d argue that the local populations are largely very happy with US presence in Europe. I know they’re very popular in Romania, being big spenders.

Outside of Europe the US has obviously been up to a bunch of nasty shit, but I think we are talking about European decisionmaking here.

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Post by davrosthedalek »

eatonphil wrote: post #63
belorn wrote: post #9

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I think the one that will profit most is China, being the remaining trade partner in a much similar way when most of the world imposed sanctions against north Korea. At the same time this will reduce the impact on prices, since as long China is connected to the global economy then the global supply will still increase when they buy from Russia. There will be costs associated with transportation for EU, be that from C…

I don't think China benefited per se (let alone profited) by being the only one with economic ties to North Korea. As I understand it it's a pretty parasitic relationship. China's reason to help North Korea is more so political and territorial than economic.

It also guarantees them exclusive access to rare earth deposits in North Korea, I thought that was also a major point. They certainly have interest in a stable NK, not a "Maybe I press the red button today" NK.
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