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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by jonathanstrange »

chrisseaton wrote: post #169
jonathanstrange wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The German navy consists of more than one guy (who, by the way, didn't state what you claimed he stated).

The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.

He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a big No No in the military.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rosndo »

rpadovani wrote: post #257
rosndo wrote: post #247

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Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deploym... They are only 64k+ indeed. But they are already inside EU, since WWII.

And most of those are far far away from the border. You might as well criticize Russia for having troops sitting in military bases near Moscow.

But hey, I raise you Kaliningrad.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by Ralfp »

DeathArrow wrote: post #200
nabla9 wrote: post #167

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EU is improved LNG capacity (LNG terminals and LNG regasification capacity) as a policy. LNG imports will take over Russian gas over medium term. After regasification the gas goes to same pipes. Biden has discussed with US energy companies on how to get them into providing LNG capacity to European needs.

Wouldn't LNG from US be much more expensive than gas from Russia? Why would European countries pay for it?

We don’t have history of US severly limiting amount of LNG delivered without a warning in mid september due to some unspecified ooopsie thats never explained by their side.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rpadovani »

cute_boi wrote: post #68
zx85wes wrote: post #34

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It's been dead for a very long time. It's a carrot that Russia was never going to get. If Scholz is smart (which I doubt) he'll restart/keep open the nuclear power plants and cut taxes on gas/electricity for households to neutralise the price hikes.

Germany needs gas today, not after n years, so making a nuclear plant today is not a good solution. We should be investing in small nuclear plants that China is making for future needs. Restarting old nuclear plants is not solving the problem because it is expensive. And I highly doubt the government would cut taxes. And, buying oil from other countries is expensive. This probably explains why Germany is not supporti…

> This probably explains why Germany is not supporting Ukraine with fists.

And also probably because we don't want a war on our borders? Ukraine was supposed to be a buffer state between NATO and Russia, and then US promised that Ukraine would have joined NATO, and back at the time Germany and France pushed back[0]. But US has only to gain with disorders in the old continent, so here we are...

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/world/europe/03nato.html

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rosndo »

beeboop wrote: post #255
rosndo wrote: post #247

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Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

The US has caused more death in the past 60 years from military intervention than all other countries combined

Ah, nonsensical whataboutism. How is this relevant to a conversation about Russian actions in Europe?

As far as I understand the US still remains on another continent.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by chrisseaton »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #261
chrisseaton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.

He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a…

> Russia did not have interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory

Yet there they are, right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468237

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by eitland »

another_why wrote: post #116
mcv wrote: post #77

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That's what he's saying: help other countries instead of raking in more money.

Which countries? Higher prices for gas will rise prices for everything, food including.

I meant all European democracies I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted.

[1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by croes »

wukerplank wrote: post #176
croes wrote: post #70

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>This leads to the conclusion that Gazprom is supplying the volumes... under its long-term contracts - but it is not providing additional volumes beyond those contracts," says Jack Sharples, of the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies. Question is, was gas ordered? I doubt anyone delivers without order. According to Gazprom the orders came only february 2nd.

Gazprom runs underground storages in Western Europe which they didn't refill before Winter 2021/22. Back then it was speculated to be used to hike prices, now we know it's more about leverage. https://www.ft.com/content/576a96f7-e41d-4068-a61b-f74f2b2d3...

They own the storage but injection and withdrawal volumes are carried out by the customers.

Still the same,no order, no delivery.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by stanski »

karpierz wrote: post #241

Anyone have thoughts on how this all pans out? I think that the only way out is that Ukraine cuts off its arm to save the head. It acknowledges the territories as lost, and consolidates what it has left. But I'm not sure how they do that without: 1. The current leader losing legitimacy, and likely resigning. 2. Opening the door for other parts of Ukraine to split off. 3. Opening the door to Russia to meddle in other…

There is absolutely nothing Ukraine can do but sit and watch Russia do what it wants. They weren't able to defend their Eastern border back when Russia was pretending to not be involved, let alone when they openly are.

This is Crimea all over again; the West will keep making noises while Russia effectively annexes further portions of Ukraine.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by vadertemp »

rosndo wrote: post #247
ezconnect wrote: post #246

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Quoted post unavailable.

Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

US has not deployed to Ukraine because its not in its national interest whereas Russia does have an immediate security concern with NATO expansion to its borders after the end of the cold war.

US has deployments all over the world after WWII in order to bully and protect its own interests.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...

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