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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by scim-knox-twox »

altairprime wrote: post #170
gigel82 wrote: post #25

God damn... this is it, this is the end-game. There's no way to fight this unless you customize and maintain blocking scripts for each individual website. Yes, websites could always have done this, but the REST (CDN-bypassing) requests' cost and the manual maintenance for the telemetry endpoints and storage was an impediment that Google just gives them a drop-in solution for :( I think Google is happy to eat some of…

How much would you pay per month for custom-per-site tracking blocking as described here?

Nothing. No one should pay for not being tracked.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by jacquesm »

probotect0r wrote: post #147
coffeefirst wrote: post #54

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Right. Everything in the article is wrong. GTM is still GTM and can be trivially blocked; the container itself isn't moving server-side. It's just gained the ability to proxy data to third parties instead of needing to load scripts for every tracker. This is better for performance, and should be explicitly in control of exactly what data is passed on to where. All you really lose is the ability to block a subset of a…

How are you going to block it "trivially" if you don't know which script to block? They recommend changing the name of the GTM script, and paired with changing the content slightly, you won't be able to tell which script is GTM and which is actually important to the functioning of the site.

You'll know that after loading the first couple of bytes though.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by behnamoh »

bentcorner wrote: post #125
hilbert42 wrote: post #47

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"I don't have the time or energy to block JavaScript and/or manually inspect each domain's requests to figure out if they use server-side tracking or not." By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. On occasions when I need JS (only about 3-5% of sites)…

I used to run NoScript then at some point (maybe switched browsers?) I stopped using it. You've persuaded me to re-enable it. Also - Firefox on mobile supports NoScript!

No, only FF on Android supports extensions.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by sofixa »

Ansil849 wrote: post #223
l33t2328 wrote: post #153

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I’m not sure if this is a serious question, but what would this imaginary law say? The government can only do business with companies who aren’t in it for the money?

How about that government services must be built by the government?

You have to draw a line somewhere with that logic, otherwise you'd have governments running their own fabs.

I'm fully in favour of governments doing everything from hosting up ( hosting, design, dev), with as much as possible open source.

For instance the French government fares well on this front, with most government services being developed in-house, and many parts are open source; in emergencies specific services were delegated to third parties ( e.g. vaccine bookings) so it isn't taken to a religious NIH level. However hosting is delegated to commercial entities.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by baybal2 »

sdoering wrote: post #244

Disclaimer: I am a data analyst. I consult companies in regards to ethical data collection. But I also know of black sheep. I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience. And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions…

Just block the script by its checksum, and the issue is solved

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by sofixa »

ssl232 wrote: post #279
throwaway2037 wrote: post #251

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Yes, I feel the same, at least for a lot of things. Certainly, all externally facing websites should be designed and maintained by gov't staff. From time to time, HN features high quality UK gov't websites. In the last five years, the UK gov't has made dramatic strides on "digital gov't" initiatives that benefit regular citizens. As I understand, most of those sites are built and maintained by gov't employees. This r…

Brit here. On your last point, there is no such widespread attitude in the UK towards government. We are historically conservative, but not libertarian. Don't forget two of the most famous and loved British institutions are the BBC and the NHS. I'm not saying such attitudes don't exist, because they do, but it's not "all-prevailing" by any stretch.

I think it's a typo/autocorrect and they meant US at the last instance instead of UK.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by dxdm »

zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

> our ineffectual administration

It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ComodoHacker »

aenis wrote: post #212
EE84M3i wrote: post #181

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HN is a link aggregator for HTTP(s) links. How do you read them?

Not sure about the parent poster, but I am here mostly for the comments, and rarely visit the linked content.

Doesn't exactly this behavior create echo chambers and lead to polarization?
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