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Just block the GTM js from loading, it'll stop it easily.
Block the code that they suggest changing the name, domain, and function signatures of? How?
Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)
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#242What's the next step? Obfuscation of the keylogger and unique snippets for every visitor? That's pretty much malware deployment technology.
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Do what? Record who came in and out of your house?
Imagine if Google offered a retail solution advertised as “record who came in and out of your house”. They would offer a CCTV for free and run centralized face recognition on everybody visiting. They’d give you a bit of stats, but truly they would aggregate data on where people go and build shadow profiles (supposedly to facilitate ad targeting). And imagine 90% of households were using it.
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#244I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience.
And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions (whatever comprises a conversion) stems.
The problem imho isn't GTM (Google Tagmanager) running as proxy. This would (or at least could) be a data privacy win if done ethically. At least under one imho essential condition: I could be able to run the proxy on any infrastructure that I like. Not only one Google's cloud offering.
And on the second essential condition that marketing departments act ethically. They can send the web analytics data to whatever tool they like. But they should absolutely not send my identifying information with it. They should use the proxy as a privacy protector. The same when sending conversion data to the marketing tools. I am OK with the marketer sending information back that a specific ad (not a specific user clicking on a specific ad) led to a conversion.
I don't need Meta or Alphabet tracking me personally (or my clients'users) with every click. But I understand the business need to measure the effectiveness of marketing money spent. Solutions like these could be a way to achieve this. If done right. And not done in the way GTM does (only hosting on Google, using an A/AAAA subdomain, grabbing every cookie possibly and so on).
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I can't wait for this to happen. Personally I think we just need to ban all targeted advertising based on viewer profiles, even session data such as IP and geo-location. This in turn should severely limit or destroy business models based on optimizing for engagement, as non-paying users are no longer profitable. It's going to cost a lot of people in ad-tech their jobs, but there is no shortage of demand for IT work,…
"I think we just need to ban all targeted advertising based on viewer profiles, even session data such as IP and geo-location" I'd go further and ban all unsolicited advertising.
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#247God damn... this is it, this is the end-game. There's no way to fight this unless you customize and maintain blocking scripts for each individual website. Yes, websites could always have done this, but the REST (CDN-bypassing) requests' cost and the manual maintenance for the telemetry endpoints and storage was an impediment that Google just gives them a drop-in solution for :( I think Google is happy to eat some of…
"I don't have the time or energy to block JavaScript and/or manually inspect each domain's requests to figure out if they use server-side tracking or not." By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. On occasions when I need JS (only about 3-5% of sites)…
Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't wait for this to happen. Personally I think we just need to ban all targeted advertising based on viewer profiles, even session data such as IP and geo-location. This in turn should severely limit or destroy business models based on optimizing for engagement, as non-paying users are no longer profitable. It's going to cost a lot of people in ad-tech their jobs, but there is no shortage of demand for IT work,…
"I think we just need to ban all targeted advertising based on viewer profiles, even session data such as IP and geo-location" I'd go further and ban all unsolicited advertising.
Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)
#249God damn... this is it, this is the end-game. There's no way to fight this unless you customize and maintain blocking scripts for each individual website. Yes, websites could always have done this, but the REST (CDN-bypassing) requests' cost and the manual maintenance for the telemetry endpoints and storage was an impediment that Google just gives them a drop-in solution for :( I think Google is happy to eat some of…
Aren't browsers shifting to a per-domain cookie jar? While you can never prevent one specific site from tracking you, this still doesn't (directly) allow your activity on Site A to be linked to activity on Site B, does it? Of course, fingerprinting combined with IP addresses will ultimately allow something that comes very close to it, so the current state (a few hundred trackers per website, all ending up harmlessly…
Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)
#250Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…
> privacy rights given to us by law (eg in the EU) > As a EU citizen, i hope that our ineffectual administration at least tries to fight this somehow. Of course, there is little hope. GDPR is thanks to the EU and I wouldn’t say it has no effect. It seems like you’re contradicting yourself with these two paragraphs.
Surprisingly the UK are trying to rid or weaken GDPR significantly after brexit.
The only way to fix this problem now is through strong legislation.