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The U.S. is now energy independent

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Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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post #17

Producing more oil than you consume does not, as the article claims, make you truly energy independent. The US will always have to import oil from other countries to meet its needs, because not all oil is the same, and the type of oil that the US produces is not the type that it needs. For a better understanding: https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/w...

It's a stretch to say will always have to.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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post #17

Producing more oil than you consume does not, as the article claims, make you truly energy independent. The US will always have to import oil from other countries to meet its needs, because not all oil is the same, and the type of oil that the US produces is not the type that it needs. For a better understanding: https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/w...

A better argument would be whether there are any restrictions at all that, during a world shortage, would prevent companies producing oil from exporting it to other parts of the world to the detriment of local US consumers.

There aren't, so the US isn't independent on anything: the regular citizen will get priced out of the market regardless of their need the moment there's profit to be made elsewhere.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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This is a weird article. It is short and lacking detail, does not link any sources, and presents its data as if it's a first (it is not[0]). It reads, to be honest, as propaganda, especially considering the current rise in consumer prices for fuel and news about Saudi Arabia refusing to increase production[1]. What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here? [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl…

The chart links to the EIA article ... so that is the source, but I don't know how high quality it is.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

#24
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was made this way by the folks who figured out how to do fracking. Politics had little to do with it. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M...

Allowing or banning fracking is pure politics.

By that reasoning everything is pure politics.

Cars? Forget about inventing the internal combustion engine, because "allowing or banning the internal combustion engine is all politics". And so on.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

#25
post #5

They’re citing oil consumption numbers during the pandemic which I’m sure will not be sustained.

The production side is also unsustainable. Some large producers are committing not to increase production and instead pocket the higher prices. https://energynow.com/2022/02/pioneer-pledges-to-hold-u-s-sh...

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't read it unless linked a story, but I do remember it popping into the scene with long form in depth journalism and interviews I hadn't seen elsewhere, with a style similar to The Intercept. I guess all good things come to an end.

Hmmm ... I'm pretty sure Axios's whole pitch from the beginning has been speed and succinctness.

You seem to be correct, at least according to Wikipedia. I may be confusing it with something else similarly named, or exaggerating how Axios on HBO got some exclusives? Not sure.

As a side note, I wasn't aware of the following info (again from Wikipedia) but it kinda explains the OP article to me a little more:

>In January 2017, Axios hired as an executive vice president Evan Ryan, the assistant secretary of state for educational and cultural affairs and a former staffer for Vice President Joe Biden.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

#28
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing or banning fracking is pure politics.

By that reasoning everything is pure politics. Cars? Forget about inventing the internal combustion engine, because "allowing or banning the internal combustion engine is all politics". And so on.

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Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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post #22
post #17

Producing more oil than you consume does not, as the article claims, make you truly energy independent. The US will always have to import oil from other countries to meet its needs, because not all oil is the same, and the type of oil that the US produces is not the type that it needs. For a better understanding: https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/w...

A better argument would be whether there are any restrictions at all that, during a world shortage, would prevent companies producing oil from exporting it to other parts of the world to the detriment of local US consumers. There aren't, so the US isn't independent on anything: the regular citizen will get priced out of the market regardless of their need the moment there's profit to be made elsewhere.

In an emergency situation the executive should step in and create emergency orders in preparation for Congress passing laws to deal with it.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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post #22
post #17

Producing more oil than you consume does not, as the article claims, make you truly energy independent. The US will always have to import oil from other countries to meet its needs, because not all oil is the same, and the type of oil that the US produces is not the type that it needs. For a better understanding: https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/w...

A better argument would be whether there are any restrictions at all that, during a world shortage, would prevent companies producing oil from exporting it to other parts of the world to the detriment of local US consumers. There aren't, so the US isn't independent on anything: the regular citizen will get priced out of the market regardless of their need the moment there's profit to be made elsewhere.

Government can easily restrict international sales, just like they did for vaccines (and routinely do for encryption software/hardware and other goods).
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