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The U.S. is now energy independent

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Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by pessimizer »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

This is a weird article. It is short and lacking detail, does not link any sources, and presents its data as if it's a first (it is not[0]). It reads, to be honest, as propaganda, especially considering the current rise in consumer prices for fuel and news about Saudi Arabia refusing to increase production[1]. What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here? [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl…

> What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here?

Because 16 people upvoted it.

The weird thing is that the submitter seems to have a ratio of 100:1 of submissions to comments. They might just have developed a habit of submitting every article they read that they find at all interesting.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #9

It was made this way by the previous administrations efforts. Then sustained by great reduction in energy usage. We'll see how this trends through 2022 but I'm not optimistic.

It was made this way by the folks who figured out how to do fracking. Politics had little to do with it.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M...

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by chiefalchemist »

> The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

Put another way, the USA now has less incentive to "keep the peace." Putin's drama and posturing, plus the USA being untethered...that's not a good combination.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by spfzero »

audiometry wrote: post #4
jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

This is a weird article. It is short and lacking detail, does not link any sources, and presents its data as if it's a first (it is not[0]). It reads, to be honest, as propaganda, especially considering the current rise in consumer prices for fuel and news about Saudi Arabia refusing to increase production[1]. What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here? [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl…

It seems to be a lame argument saying somehow high energy prices no longer affect US consumers. Nonsense. And it grossly simplifies trade flows of refined products and crude flow in and out of the USA.

It said higher energy prices DO affect US consumers.

>Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by jimmygrapes »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #13

> The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era. Put another way, the USA now has less incentive to "keep the peace." Putin's drama and posturing, plus the USA being untethered...that's not a good combination.

I don't actually expect any conflict there, but I also remember the old saw: "gas is up, polls are down? start a war!"

I hope that joke doesn't apply. As Sting said, "Russians love their children too"

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by sp332 »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

This is a weird article. It is short and lacking detail, does not link any sources, and presents its data as if it's a first (it is not[0]). It reads, to be honest, as propaganda, especially considering the current rise in consumer prices for fuel and news about Saudi Arabia refusing to increase production[1]. What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here? [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl…

The data in the article agrees with your sources. It says there was a surplus in 2020, and that use and production have been pretty balanced since then.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by hammock »

Producing more oil than you consume does not, as the article claims, make you truly energy independent. The US will always have to import oil from other countries to meet its needs, because not all oil is the same, and the type of oil that the US produces is not the type that it needs.

For a better understanding: https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/w...

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by wolverine876 »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #6
schmichael wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is short and lacking detail This, if you're not familiar, is Axios's entire value prop: short and sweet. Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing out that I would consider this article standard if not verbose by Axios's own standards.

I don't read it unless linked a story, but I do remember it popping into the scene with long form in depth journalism and interviews I hadn't seen elsewhere, with a style similar to The Intercept. I guess all good things come to an end.

Hmmm ... I'm pretty sure Axios's whole pitch from the beginning has been speed and succinctness.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by koolba »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #12
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #9

It was made this way by the previous administrations efforts. Then sustained by great reduction in energy usage. We'll see how this trends through 2022 but I'm not optimistic.

It was made this way by the folks who figured out how to do fracking. Politics had little to do with it. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M...

Allowing or banning fracking is pure politics.

Re: The U.S. is now energy independent

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Post by wolverine876 »

audiometry wrote: post #4
jimmygrapes wrote: post #2

This is a weird article. It is short and lacking detail, does not link any sources, and presents its data as if it's a first (it is not[0]). It reads, to be honest, as propaganda, especially considering the current rise in consumer prices for fuel and news about Saudi Arabia refusing to increase production[1]. What is the purpose of this article and why is it on the front page here? [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl…

It seems to be a lame argument saying somehow high energy prices no longer affect US consumers. Nonsense. And it grossly simplifies trade flows of refined products and crude flow in and out of the USA.

> It seems to be a lame argument saying somehow high energy prices no longer affect US consumers.

From the article:

Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.

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