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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by Gigachad » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

dijonman2 wrote: post #253

tqi wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that strange. Sirens in NYC are largely directional, and you can hear the noise diminish dramatically once you are no longer in the path of the vehicle. The same is not true of loud cars/motorcycles. Also sirens (mostly) serve a necessary purpose for society, while motorcycle noise serve to stroke their owners selfish egos.

I lived in the upper west side 7th fl and sirens are absolutely excessive. Deafeningly loud even in my apartment.

I wonder if the problem is that modern cars are too soundproof. Perhaps they should be regulated to have some kind of transparency mode like with modern headphones so they will hear much quieter sirens.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by whyenot » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #170

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally…

Since we are sharing anecdata, CHP are camped out on southbound 280 by 85 almost every morning. They usually have someone pulled over.

More broadly, I think it makes sense to automate some law enforcement activities by using speed cameras, etc. Cameras remove problems with bias and escalation. They also free up LEOs to focus on activities that can't be automated.

The alternative is hire more officers and pay them more. That's not something that voters appear willing to do, even in the affluent Bay Area. (...or to do anything about homelessness in the South Bay; apparently we have collectively decided that the answer is to just ignore the problem and look the other way as people slowly die on the street)

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by oh_sigh » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:41 PM UTC

megablast wrote: post #197

jmpman wrote: post #2

Good. I look forward to this enforcement in my city. I currently live against a major road. During the night, the traffic noise isn’t disturbing, except for about one vehicle in a thousand. And that motorcycle wakes me at 3am. For weeks on end. My neighbor’s kid’s motorcycle. On his way to work at 3am, has to gun it when turning out of the neighborhood, waking everyone. These are neighbors who had shot their next doo…

Do you drive?? I find it hypocritical for someone to drive and complain about noise from a major road. And it's why people choose not to live near major roads.

They said that they don't have a problem with 999 out of 1000 cars. That's not being hypocritical.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by jakelazaroff » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:41 PM UTC

nosianu wrote: post #169

organsnyder wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who defines what a "normal, reasonable" person looks like?

At some point you have to let people make decisions. You can't "logic" your way out of everything. But... the mistakes! Yeah, so what? What about the mistakes of the rules that a human at the scene is not allowed to overrule? We have that at quite a few workplaces, where employees are not allowed to make any decisions, only work through an algorithm. It's not pretty. Think customer support of very large companies. Or…

To be clear, what is the advantage of discretionary enforcement for traffic offenses? Letting certain people off with a warning even though they broke the law? Why is that a feature and not a bug?

Anyway, we do have a way to let humans make these decisions. You can go to court and challenge the ticket.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by kelnos » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

dijonman2 wrote: post #249

Spivak wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's single-handedly the best perk of being white in the US. I hate it, it's straight up dystopian, but you can't argue with the benefits of being above the law for anything less than like murder. Being white means I do things like speed, do drugs at parties and concerts, jaywalk, be drunk in public, trespass -- err sorry urban explore, set of fireworks on the 4th without so much as a second glance.

This is an incredibly ignorant statement. Why does everything need to be about race all day?

I think it would be pretty weird if comments about race didn't come up in a post about policing. Scanning through things, clearly it's not "everything" either. Maybe dial down your knee-jerk sensitivity a notch?

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by tzs » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #170

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally…

> The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police.

A licensed gun owner can have a gun near a school in Washington, so why would you expect police to be able to intervene when someone is merely approaching a school?

Police could ask the person what they are doing, but unless they have probable cause that the person is committing a crime they can't arrest them.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by leephillips » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

ahthat wrote: post #151

jmpman wrote: post #2

Good. I look forward to this enforcement in my city. I currently live against a major road. During the night, the traffic noise isn’t disturbing, except for about one vehicle in a thousand. And that motorcycle wakes me at 3am. For weeks on end. My neighbor’s kid’s motorcycle. On his way to work at 3am, has to gun it when turning out of the neighborhood, waking everyone. These are neighbors who had shot their next doo…

Towels work pretty well apparently (sometimes better than foam acoustic panels): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKwb58vvFI

That video has nothing to do with soundproofing.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by mikestew » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:43 PM UTC

rabuse wrote: post #236

whartung wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a motorcycle forum, someone asked whether they should upgrade their suspension or their exhaust. I suggested that an upgraded suspension affects your quality of life, an upgraded exhaust affects everyone else. We don't need the windows open to hear the cars and such around here (and they're modern windows). We're near a freeway, but it's not the only culprit. The freeway is either silent or quite noisy depending o…

To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

If "loud pipes save(d) lives", your insurance company would give you a discount for your man-child exhaust. And if you want anecdata, I've ridden hundreds of thousands of miles in every U. S. state, most of Canada, and elsewhere. Most of those miles have been with the exhaust that came with the bike when it rolled out of the factory. I've never been sideswiped, nor even once considered that a loud exhaust would do anything to improve my safety.

I sure am glad for the riding classes I've taken, however, which probably do a lot more good than obnoxious exhaust systems.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by moogleii » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:43 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #170

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally…

Police are everywhere in Manhattan. Pre-pandemic, it would be odd not to see several per day on patrol on a normal day to day. In SoCal, I can go days without seeing one.

Having said that, they don't have the best rep for enforcing traffic violations here.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by Gigachad » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 10:43 PM UTC

megablast wrote: post #197

jmpman wrote: post #2

Good. I look forward to this enforcement in my city. I currently live against a major road. During the night, the traffic noise isn’t disturbing, except for about one vehicle in a thousand. And that motorcycle wakes me at 3am. For weeks on end. My neighbor’s kid’s motorcycle. On his way to work at 3am, has to gun it when turning out of the neighborhood, waking everyone. These are neighbors who had shot their next doo…

Do you drive?? I find it hypocritical for someone to drive and complain about noise from a major road. And it's why people choose not to live near major roads.

Normal cars do not produce noise issues. I live in the city and it’s basically _only_ motorbikes and modded cars I can hear.