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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by kmlx »

yes, i remember reading about this in london.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54452835.amp

>> 7 October 2020

>> More than a hundred people have been threatened with fines after London's first noise cameras were set up to combat antisocial supercar drivers.

>> The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea set up the cameras to tackle drivers using Knightsbridge streets as "racetracks".

>> The cameras intercept when a 74 decibel noise threshold is exceeded and records the offending vehicle.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by defterGoose »

intrasight wrote: post #60

Speeding should be enforced the same way. Police have better things to do.

I'd argue that life for everyone would be better if police were actually writing tickets for noise rather than just doing 80 on the freeway at 2am.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by nickysielicki »

This will become a tax on the poor. Plenty of poor people in rough neighborhoods will get their catalytic converter stolen, will lack the money to fix it, and then will get a ticket in the mail. Taking the human factor out of police work here is a bad idea. Why can’t they up just ramp up enforcement of egregious offenders that are running straight pipes to be dickheads instead?

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by TigeriusKirk »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #55

What assurances are there that cameras with microphones won't be turned into devices of mass surveillance of the population at large? It isn't exactly out of the realm of New York's track record, given their propensity towards "Stop and Frisk".

There are no such assurances.

It took a very minor annoyance for people to not only accept these surveillance tools, but to actually cheer them on.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by thepasswordis »

jdprgm wrote: post #39

Tangent: We should outlaw leaf blowers in cities while at it. It's february and freezing out and for some reason the idiotic management in the apartment across the street has contracted some crew to do daily leaf blowers on nearly completely clean sidewalks disturbing probably hundreds of people WFH. Not to even mention how particularly awful leaf blowers are for the environment.

Have you ever spent a day landscaping?

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by kmlx »

lamontcg wrote: post #135

This is an excellent example for people concerned with privacy rights. In order to have nice things the population really needs to culturally understand that "with great power comes great responsibility". Instead we have a culture of entirely selfish individualism, so the popular backlash is that damn near everyone is this thread (including myself) applauds the erosion of privacy rights because we're fed up and sick…

i think what you’re looking for are called day fines. they’re used in a lot of nordic countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by thepasswordis »

Worse than motorcycles are cars with a "pop and bang tune". I can hear these things literally for miles, and they run all day and all night. It's extremely annoying.

Here's an example of what I mean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChy9sKVhEo

Somehow the police do almost nothing about this stuff (except what NY is apparently going to do), but the federal government has the time to force tesla to remove the "make fart noise after horn" option from my car.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by nosianu »

organsnyder wrote: post #146
bequanna wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, this system does kinda work and allows for police to charge antisocial assholes with a crime while letting normal, reasonable people who made a simple mistake off with a warning.

Who defines what a "normal, reasonable" person looks like?

At some point you have to let people make decisions. You can't "logic" your way out of everything.

But... the mistakes! Yeah, so what? What about the mistakes of the rules that a human at the scene is not allowed to overrule?

We have that at quite a few workplaces, where employees are not allowed to make any decisions, only work through an algorithm. It's not pretty. Think customer support of very large companies. Or the mistakes of algorithms and "AI", which we already have too, e.g. when we read stories about insurance "automating" decisions with ML?

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by 01100011 »

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws.

I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally disregard basic traffic safety laws. I never see anyone pulled over and generally never see any cops.

My niece works in public safety in WA state and says that morale is in the gutter as police have been told to back off in all but the most imminent situations. The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police.

I'm not typically pro-law enforcement but I am definitely not pro-no-law enforcement.

On an unrelated note, I'm now about to get front window tinting on my vehicles because, why not, it's not like any traffic or vehicle laws are being enforced now.

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