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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Another way to deal with this in addition to vehicle related pollution and safety issues is a good technical vehicle inspection program through the state DMV to get or renew the vehicle registration.

I would mind less smogging my car every two years if I thought it actually made an impact on this at all. I just wish police would actually crack down on these sorts of crimes. But I get the feeling that a lot of them are the same ones driving Harleys and Chargers.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Singapore has a major problem in this regard, with loud sometimes expensive cars revving up to the allowed speed limit (50-90km/h) on very short stretches of road.

Particularly irksome given the high population density within earshot, and all the stranger given the fairly strict laws in Singapore which only recently outlawed electric scooters on the roads among other immediate effect measures.

Wonder if they'll follow suit with this, though the prevalence of the modded/sports car culture for showing off and the fact that having a car at all is rightfully seen as a privilege given the sky-high costs of ownership probably make it harder to do so.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Unfortunately we won't even allow speed enforcement cameras, so this seems unlikely. https://cal.streetsblog.org/2021/05/21/california-wont-be-ge...

Public opinion is changing. Someone ran a red light at the intersection of Franklin and Union and killed a teacher right in front of a school recently. In New York City, speed cameras started in school zones. I think that's an excellent place to start.

Agreed, let's say all intersections within a mile of a school? ;-)

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> These are neighbors who had shot their next door neighbor’s cat Jesus. At that point I'd go up to questionably legal methods to get these fuckers some justice. People who intentionally murder cats deserve everything that's coming for them.

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Where do you live that you can go around shooting cats in your yard? That's a felony where I live and I live in Texas which is a very gun friendly state.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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> Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. It allows for discretionary law enforcement. Cops love it. They can ignore it you if they like you, or fine you if they don't.

But, this system does kinda work and allows for police to charge antisocial assholes with a crime while letting normal, reasonable people who made a simple mistake off with a warning.

Who defines what a "normal, reasonable" person looks like?

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Not sure why this is getting downvoted, increasing exposure to police increases number of shootings, especially for minorities. And don’t ask for citations, this is and has been all over everywhere for years.

Only 13 unarmed black men were shot by police in 2019 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/23/fac...

Well as long as only 13 innocent unarmed people were unloaded on by law enforcement everything is fine

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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how are they unconstitutional?

To be clear, their constitutionality status is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, they should be deemed unconstitutional via a violation of rights against search and seizure, and rights for a proper trial. It's impossible to face your accuser in court, it's impossible to actually check the software used to identify whether you were speeding, and asymmetrically automating enforcement of something where it's in the en…

In the case of red light cameras, aren't there pictures to prove the violation?

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That’s because the last thing anyone wants is a loud noise complaint to escalate into a shooting.

Not sure why this is getting downvoted, increasing exposure to police increases number of shootings, especially for minorities. And don’t ask for citations, this is and has been all over everywhere for years.

Without definitively having some stat that proves or disproves this, the way this opinion was expressed feels a lot like survivor bias because you're reacting to the relatively small number of negative police interactions that are hyped up by the media (because they play on emotions well) and mentioning nothing of the millions and millions of police interactions that go positively or times that police presence prevented a crime.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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how are they unconstitutional?

You have no ability to question your accuser, because your accuser is a machine. The source code is proprietary. The data chain is secret. You have no ability to meaningfully audit it to see if it actually works or is making a lot of false positives.

What shitty red light cameras are these where the data is all secret? In my city, tickets from red light cameras include a video of the incident, which clearly shows the car and traffic light.

Is that really how it works elsewhere, they just send you a ticket saying "we caught you running a red light, please pay fine"? What happens if you show up to court to contest, can't you just point out they have literally no evidence?

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