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Post by manquer »

FpUser wrote: post #643
manquer wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Effectiveness is not metric that changes legality. A lot of government policy is ineffective does not make it illegal or unconstitutional .

When the rights are infringed upon just for the fuck of it without solid proof that it is to prevent endangering large amount of lives - maybe it is technically legal but I think it is crime.

You can make it illegal and actually a crime. The democratic way to make it one is either make that point democratically elected leaders in a civilized manner or vote against them next election and organize into parties/block to influence policy.

Terrorizing and hold regular people hostage with noise pollution, blockade and disrupt their lives is what revolutionary/terrorist organization would do.

If protestors behave like terrorists and insurgents then sooner or later they will be treated like one.

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Post by [deleted] »

renewiltord wrote: post #135

Jesus Christ, you can't just leave your S3 bucket open, guys. There are lots of warnings from Amazon before you end up doing that, and it's so easy to not do (pre-signed URLs if you really need a URL). I guess it's rather interesting to see the reactions from the media and HN comments. Sort of reflects the relative politics: - Patreon leak. Media didn't go download everyone's data and threaten to get info. HN blamed…

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

boringg wrote: post #774
awaywithcovid wrote: post #99

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Honestly your post looks like a fraudulent/troll post as you have only posted once. Professing to be a very concerned covid citizen and then saying how peaceful this protest is. It has significant impacts so far: Shutdown the largest trade border, cache of guns found in Coutts protest, local downtown core of Ottawa closed, $800,000 per day to the police services to manage it, harassment of people on the street, white…

> this is an organized protest by two fringe politicians from Alberta who planned to use the wedge issue to get traction for their party.

Source? Evidence?

(I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong - I don't follow Alberta politics. I'm just saying, I've never heard anything of this, so throw me some breadcrumbs here...)

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Post by skeeter2020 »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

>> citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers,

what are you possibly basing this on?

>> But these are only my personal observations and conclusions

Oh, opinion. So you complain that the media coverage is "vastly negative" because... you feel it is.

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Post by skinkestek »

pelasaco wrote: post #770
skinkestek wrote: post #753

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Compared to the violence, burning and looting in front of the American election this is absolutely nothing and have only lasted a few days Those demonstrations were mostly peaceful according to those we are supposed to listen to, so obviously the current demonstrations are even more peaceful. Edit: I'm triple vaccinated myself and recommend it for everyone else, but if we have freedom to choose that also must include…

People still have their rights to do "dumb choices". I'm triple vaccinated, got omicron one month later of being vaccinated, still believe that the vaccine helped me to have it almost asymptomatically, but I'm ok with people saying that dont want to be vaccinated.

If it wasn't clear I think we agree very much.

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Post by danudey »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> it seems that the protests are essentially peaceful, citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers

This is not true in any of the relevant cities; it is an extremely vocal, and very small, minority of people who are in support, and I can guarantee you that most of the few people who do support it would change their minds if it was their neighbourhood people were honking in all night.

Note that over 90% of Canadian truckers are already vaccinated, and similar percentages of the large urban centres being harassed are vaccinated as well. Most people are entirely against these "protests", and will be happier when they're over.

> Furthermore, it can be effectively argued that forcing workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs is inherently discriminatory

It cannot be effectively argued, because it is not discriminatory; "people who refuse to believe in medical science" is not a protected class. If you need to get a background check to get a job, that is not discriminatory. If you need to have a license to do a job, that is not discriminatory. If you need to be vaccinated to do your job (not just COVID, but otherwise), that is not discriminatory.

> and perhaps even anti-freedom.

Freedom has limits. You don't have the freedom to endanger others.

Freedom does not mean "I get to eat my cake and have it too"; it means you're able to make a choice. Do you want to get vaccinated and do your job, or do you want to refuse to get vaccinated and leave that job so that you aren't endangering others?

What these people are protesting is that they made their choice and have to deal with the consequences of that choice. If you don't want to get a driver's license, you can't protest that you should still be allowed to drive a car; if you don't want to get a passport, you can't protest that you should still be allowed to travel internationally. The rules and restrictions are clear and up-front.

Also: I have friends in Ottawa, and am hearing multiple reports of people being harassed or threatened by these "protesters" (many of whom are acting more like terrorists, trying to intimidate everyone around them) for something as simple as wearing a mask.

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Post by giantg2 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #759
ahthat wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers Source? The US polls I've seen show 60% support for vaccine mandates, which is probably why the government feels so confident in shutting down the protests. The media I've seen isn't portraying the protestors as violent but as a nuisance.

Do the polls have how many support the protest? If 20% do, then that would be 200k residents in the city. I consider 200k, or 20% of the population to be a large number. Still a minority, but a large minority.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

908B64B197 wrote: post #760
ahthat wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (u…

> Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests.

Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

newsbinator wrote: post #556
purephase wrote: post #447

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I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. But, most of them are not residents of Ottawa, and the lived experiences of people in that city, particurlarly those who have had run ins wi…

> I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. To me the political bent of HN isn't relevant when reading a comment. I'd rather take each comment on its own merits, without guessing or…

I don't know what the answer is with these protests, but criminalizing them isn't the answer. I'm an active leftist and do a lot of mutual aid and protesting. I've been beaten by cops and had them deploy munitions against me. Giving cops more latitude to deal with this protest movement will mean that they deploy even more force against me the next time I'm politely asking that they stop murdering people.
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