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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by 908B64B197 »

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

> That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game), but their actions are fueling even more outlandish conspiracy theories.

Didn't the father do the exact same thing back in the 70's?

Of course there's political gains, as they say, never get a crisis go to waste.

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Post by FireBeyond »

j_walter wrote: post #742
FireBeyond wrote: post #697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A major difference is that the police would issue dispersal orders, then attack the BLM protesters indiscriminately, or call curfews which basically declared open season on any kind of protester, journalist, civilian, doing anything outdoors after X o'clock. The police were shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their own porches. Whilst also advising Proud Boys and Three Per Centers of their "enforcement pla…

They were in contact with both sides of the conflicts...only one side made their plans clear and also applied for permits. I'm not saying it was the right call, but one side was violent toward police and the other was not...not a huge surprise that the police would choose to work with them.

The Proud Boys applied for a small fraction of permits.

And if you are ordering a protest to disperse, you don't tell one side to go home. If you have a curfew (leaving aside opinions there), it's not a curfew for one side.

If you're telling people who have warrants for their arrest that you will actively not only NOT arrest them but protect them, that's not working with them, that's working for them. Which is unsurprising in PDX, given how many LEOs are members of those same organizations.

Nothing in what you said was a good justification. You're right though, it's not a huge surprise that police would choose to work with militant right wing organizations.

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Post by skinkestek »

ar_turnbull wrote: post #570
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

> "there is no violence, and no obvious danger." This is false and I would expect better of HN posters. A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire. Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police o…

Compared to the violence, burning and looting in front of the American election this is absolutely nothing and have only lasted a few days

Those demonstrations were mostly peaceful according to those we are supposed to listen to, so obviously the current demonstrations are even more peaceful.

Edit: I'm triple vaccinated myself and recommend it for everyone else, but if we have freedom to choose that also must include freedom to do what I think is less smart.

In fact I think at this point the attempt to force people to vaccinate is scaring people away from it.

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Post by _-david-_ »

nicoffeine wrote: post #704
jstream67 wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

planting a 'nazi/white nationalist' in protests and then having the media focus on it seems like such a obvious tactic now that it is making me question every time this kind of thing occurs. For example, remember the recent election in Virginia where there was a ton of media retweets of a picture of a handful of 'white supremacists' in front of the tour bus for the Republican candidate. The media made a huge deal abo…

How are the complicit media organized? Is there a secret WhatsApp thread going on between the hundreds of media organizations? Who runs the organization? How do they keep it a secret?

There is / was a secret group of journalists called JournoList. The original was shut down and there is now a new one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

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Post by alspacka »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

11 people were arrested on weapons charges at the Alberta blockade (handguns and body armor) and one person was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder for trying to run over police with his tractor

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Post by soared »

rajin444 wrote: post #147
soared wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? I’m not holding a strong opinion on the subject but it’s kind of silly bias to compare this to blm with your phrasing. Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds of years, so the truckers going through troubling times for 2 years doesn’t really justify the comparison.

> Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds of years, so the truckers going through troubling times for 2 years doesn’t really justify the comparison. There’s no way you can objectively back this up. Not to mention you’re saying because some dead people had worse conditions it’s ok to make conditions for the living bad. That type of logic only applies to groups you dislike.

Umm objectively there was slavery and segregation from before the us existed until I couldn’t follow the logic on the second point, but current generation African Americans were negatively impacted by their great grandparents being slaves - it’s like generational wealth but the opposite.

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Post by gengelbro »

mplewis wrote: post #747
ahthat wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

There's a lot to unpack here, but Ottawa residents are largely against the truckers occupying the roads of their city.

How about citizens of Seattle when the CHAZ was operating? Were they majority for that?

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Post by hanselot »

seattle_spring wrote: post #621
tagoregrtst wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Gosh, that's a really tough position to be in. If only there was something they could do to be exempt from the 14 day quarantine. Anything at all.

No post body was provided.

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Post by colinmhayes »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers

Source? The US polls I've seen show 60% support for vaccine mandates, which is probably why the government feels so confident in shutting down the protests. The media I've seen isn't portraying the protestors as violent but as a nuisance.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative.

Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests.

On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (unless they fear snowballs!).

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