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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by ceejayoz »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #550
ceejayoz wrote: post #439

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> These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no? That's fair, yes. Economically disruptive, but largely peaceful. I'd wager the left isn't going to pass "it's legal to run over protesters" in response to these, though. https://www.vox.com/2021/4/25/22367019/gop-laws-oklahoma-iow...

From your own overtly biased link: > Under the new law, an Oklahoma driver will no longer be liable for striking — or even killing — a person if the driver is “fleeing from a riot ... under a reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor vehicle operator from serious injury or death.” Super disingenuous to characterize that as "it's legal to run over protesters".

Never seen a cop get off with "I feared for my life", eh?

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Post by okokwhatever »

Reading this thread demonstrate to me why we (as a society, no matter where you're living) can't live together as we've been doing anymore. The ideas are colliding in too many areas and all of them look like a rat trap. Something hostile in human behavior we are unable to remove is deeply rotten and who knows how we can fix it. This are sad (but non desperate) times to live.

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Post by [deleted] »

RIMR wrote: post #543
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

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Post by BitwiseFool »

peeters wrote: post #212
_-david-_ wrote: post #192

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>an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government Which protest does not meet that criteria?

Most? You can protest against a government while still acknowledging its legitimacy.

Requiring an acknowledgement of a government's legitimacy seems like a bad thing. Ultimately I think "insurrection" is just being thrown around far too freely.

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Post by moralestapia »

purephase wrote: post #537
moralestapia wrote: post #514

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Yes, I am. Noise pollution has the same effect on people regardless of the source. You pretty much proved my point by diminishing the one particular source of noise that you personally don't consider "as bad".

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Chill, no need to curse to get your point across as it only paints a poor image of you.

Anyway, noise is noise, whether it comes from a truck, or a dog, a party, or w/e. If you're unable to understand that, then I guess this discussion is futile.

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Post by newsbinator »

purephase wrote: post #447
eldaisfish wrote: post #420

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>there is no violence, and no obvious danger While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses.... Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed? The protestors haven'…

I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. But, most of them are not residents of Ottawa, and the lived experiences of people in that city, particurlarly those who have had run ins wi…

> I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie.

To me the political bent of HN isn't relevant when reading a comment. I'd rather take each comment on its own merits, without guessing or assuming what the ideology of the commenter would have to be.

I recently lived in a country in which wearing the wrong color socks is grounds for instant prison, so I prefer when my government's monopoly on violence errs on the side of restraint, as in the case of these protestors.

Should individual protestors get shut down when they harass mask-wearing doctors or honk horns in the middle of the night? Obviously.

But there is some fuzzy line in which we let protestors do otherwise illegal or fineable things that we don't let individuals do.

I could be convinced that skin color is a factor as you mentioned, but at the moment I have no idea.

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Post by beebmam »

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

What sort of laws would you support against people that hack websites like this?

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Post by alisonkisk »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #140
bawolff wrote: post #51

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The protest is super unpopular in canada. It could just as easily be a random canadian citizen who is pissed about the protest and wants to prove that the protest is not grass roots but foreign meddling.

If protests were popular they wouldn't be protests.

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Post by BitwiseFool »

echelon wrote: post #222
defaultname wrote: post #183

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"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organi…

My point is you can't call this an insurrection without shifting the Overton window. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any appreciable number of people are actually trying to overthrow Canada. We're polarizing everything to the point we can't focus on the topics that matter. We'll forget about this in a matter of years, yet our ears and minds will be deafened.

I see it as wanton hyperbole. Demanding members of the government resign does not an insurrection make. Especially if you sincerely think they have abused their powers and have infringed on human rights.

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Post by moralestapia »

cf100clunk wrote: post #538
moralestapia wrote: post #508

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A line in a Traveling Wilburys song goes "everything is legal as long as you don't get caught." That's what came to mind as I read your reply, which tacitly agrees with my parent comment.

That's a nice quote, thanks.

I'm arguing a slightly different thing, that authorities are quite aware and tolerant of the situation in many cases, so they don't care to do much.

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