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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by chiefalchemist »

galangalalgol wrote: post #437
chiefalchemist wrote: post #357

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Better question: were they treated in any way?

What treatments do you mean?

Anything. There seems to be this (unproven) belief that the drugs and methods used to treat Covid do no harm, and that it must be the virus, and only the virus.

The fact is, this is the first time in a long time that we've had a substantial sample size of infected humans, as well as a spotlight on the topic. The point being, there could be previous history with regard to treatment / solutions used for Covid and we've never bothered to look and see. That's not being critical. We had no reason to look. People survived and that we moved on.

But now we have a significant amount of data, yet we seem to be presuming - again, without proof - that the cause of "long Covid" is exclusively due to the virus. Simply put, that assumption isn't supported with science. It's based on assumption and narrative.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nodamage »

nodamage wrote: post #298
dijit wrote: post #150

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This is actually the best reason to have people remain unvaccinated, and to not strictly mandate vaccines. I'm pro-vax (god, why do I have to say that?) but what's seriously pissed me off about this whole COVID thing is how quickly it became political. At the beginning there was a real sense of "we're in this together" but now you can be pretty certain of someones political affiliation if they choose not to wear a ma…

> So why do you need to have a vaccine pass to go places? You can still carry the virus and infect people. Even if they aren't 100% effective, vaccines still reduce both the likelihood that you will become infected and also the likelihood that you will transmit the virus to others.

Not sure why this was downvoted? Studies have shown that vaccination does indeed reduce both susceptibility and transmissibility (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v...).

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by samwillis »

samwillis wrote: post #201
easymodex wrote: post #110

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Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

Useless anecdotal evidence from my wife’s hairdresser, she has just been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having a Moderna booster, she thinks it’s linked… Could be linked, probably not.

Just to clarify my point here (which has been deservedly down voted), I found it interesting that someone who is fully vaxed (as am I) and believes in the vaccines thinks they may have had a significant adverse effect. I think this shows how people are approaching it. They are excepting of the fact that they may have adverse reaction in incredibly rare cases but understand that the vaccine is needed.

The possibility, albeit incredibly unlikely, of as adverse affect has been accepted by the public as ok.

In her case she actually has some other health concerns that may well turn out to be the cause.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nodamage »

mikevm wrote: post #200
jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

This Danish study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v...) of Omicron household secondary attack rates found a 52% reduction in susceptibility for boosted individuals and a 51% reduction in transmissibility from boosted individuals.

In other words, if both the infected person and the household member were boosted, the likelihood of a household member becoming infected was reduced by 74% compared to if both were unvaccinated. (This number is for Omicron, for Delta the reduction is even higher at 92%.)

In other words, while you are technically correct that the vaccines do not completely prevent infection or transmission, they do, in fact, significantly reduce the likelihood.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by wwweston »

yay_throw wrote: post #281
laurent92 wrote: post #98

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Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

All of the replies to this completely ignore those of us who have families, and especially young families. Good for you if the sudden removal of responsibilities gave you the freedom to get outside for long periods every day. However, frankly people like this were the main reason I had to quit Strava. While my wife and I struggled to hold our lives and jobs together when it became illegal to have anyone else look aft…

Childcare is definitely an issue in so many contexts, can definitely recognize that. Hopefully that's something more people are thinking about going forward with an eye towards the social value of it and the problems of people facing it in even non-epidemic situations.

But gains from no-commute / remote setups weren't limited to single/childless people. Some of the people I know who were taking rides / runs in the hills were couples with kids working schedules out with their partners, and I can think of families who demonstrated that reproduction doesn't bar one from buying home exercise equipment.

And "it became illegal to have anyone else look after our kids" -- I get that it's frustrating to have a service that you rely on closed. I can see that'd be especially hard with group daycare. I saw that frustration play out. I also saw people continue babysitting or au pair arrangements with whatever behavioral stipulations for epidemic-safety made sense to them, and that got easier as lots of people pulled out of service/retail labor force. Childcare was different but illegal seems like hyperbole.

I'm sure your experience was difficult or stressful; lots of people found adapting difficult in various ways (nor were single/childless people exempt, though the challenges might be different). But the idea that the parent poster forwarded that somehow civil policies generally "broke" people's health/exercise habits is a poor generalization... and whatever the truth about the difficulty of your particular situation, the idea that adapting was just impossible for people with kids and additionally that anyone pushing back on criticism of restrictions just isn't thinking about that doesn't hold up as a generalization either.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by wwweston »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #363
napier wrote: post #315

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Absolutely. Sales of bike exercise equipment (plus Peloton’s share price), and outdoor sports gear went parabolic in 2020 and remain at record highs. The idea that “lockdowns” inhibited exercise while in many countries exercising outdoors is laughable.

Not nitpicking, because I hope you're correct. That said, sales doesn't equal actual sustained usage. Anecdotal: I run almost every day. Don't get excited, only 2 to 4 miles :) Early in the pandemic I saw plenty of new faces - often couples - out exercising. Some running, mostly walking. I don't see many of those faces any more.

> That said, sales doesn't equal actual sustained usage.

Neither do open gyms. :)

Though post-holiday covid peaks may have slightly altered the long-running wry observations about January in the gym.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by bagacrap »

scotty79 wrote: post #283
madballster wrote: post #270

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

they're not identical but they're also not totally independent. There is a certain percentage of the population that is very vulnerable to both illnesses, yet they can't die twice.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Tagbert »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #476
galangalalgol wrote: post #437

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What treatments do you mean?

Considering hospitals have basically banned or obfuscated all treatments other than prevention, good questions.

Hospitals are frequently using anti-viral and mono-clonal antibody treatments for severe cases. They are not using drugs that have been shown ineffective.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #277
lampe3 wrote: post #99

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I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

This isn't really specific to COVID though, any serious illness can do a real number on you. Anecdote: I'm an avid runner and cyclist, but after I had dengue fever, it took me months to regain my fitness. I used to run 10K's before breakfast, but the first time I attempted a 5 km walk afterwards, I was basically comatose for the rest of the day.

People talk about NEVER recovering their previous cardio performance after a COVID infection. No one expects anyone to be seriously sick, and then have anything resembling their previous performance levels when they first start back.
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