why is this low quality article with no sources from a news station with a VERY clear slant being considered? At least post the actual report they are referring to.
The 2021 data was taken offline.
There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
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#32Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#33Some addition sources: [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/31/instagram-... [1] https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-pa... [2] https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html [3] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-whistleblowers-share... [4] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon... [5] https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=13987 Either…
wow some really low quality and biased sources to back up a low quality and biased source... This is literally just a rehashing of VAERS fear-mongering https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defe...
I agree but I am not finding any coverage on mainstream corporate media. 15 years ago I would use that as evidence against the story. In today's media climate not so much.
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Can you share a study showing where Covid is responsible for such rises in this particular age bracket? As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid, so is it not worth properly investigating the vaccines and other stress factors (lockdowns etc)? It is only delusional to start with something outside Covid if the data on Covid reflects the 40% clearly already.
"Risk" has been almost exclusively defined in terms of hospitalization / death throughout the pandemic. Long term effects are poorly understood and not considered in risk calculations.
This. I cannot believe how myopic we have been. A lot of people are going to carry a lot of damage didn’t see fit to include it as a metric.
I don’t have under 65 evidence, but this study released recently for 65+ should make everyone question what it looks like to live with this virus going forward.
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wow some really low quality and biased sources to back up a low quality and biased source... This is literally just a rehashing of VAERS fear-mongering https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defe...
I agree but I am not finding any coverage on mainstream corporate media. 15 years ago I would use that as evidence against the story. In today's media climate not so much.
could it be because drawing conclusions from low quality, raw data like VAERS and the DoD database is not good journalism? Assuming correlations is not something quality news outlets should be doing
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#36why is this low quality article with no sources from a news station with a VERY clear slant being considered? At least post the actual report they are referring to.
The 2021 data was taken offline.
so they are making very strong statements that they can't even back up? Seems like something that should be avoided by news outlets.
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When you say "unlikely," do you mean according to your Bayesian priors or according to an analysis you'd like to share with us?
(not original commenter) according to all the best data we have on the safety profiles of the vaccines, and the data we have on covid, it would make much more sense for it to be covid. This is on the front page right now: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0
I'm skeptical that there's such a thing as "best data" when clinical trials were intentionally rushed.
Don't misunderstand me, I supported and continue to support Operation Warp Speed and I'm glad we got a vaccine quickly. But let's not now pretend that we have the same kind of data fidelity we normally get with more carefully vetted vaccines.
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#38How much of these deaths are caused by COVID and how much are caused by anti-COVID measures (economical and emotional stress, isolation, depression)?
The reality is both. We have largely focused on mitigating COVID deaths but we need to address the devastation caused from anti-COVID measures because despite it being largely underreported and understated, the impact is there and we all feel and see it.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 2021 data was taken offline.
so they are making very strong statements that they can't even back up? Seems like something that should be avoided by news outlets.
The whistleblowers reported on data that was real. After they blew the whistle the data was taken offline. Seems like worthy reporting to me.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#40In the United States, excess deaths increased 22.9% between March 1, 2020, and Jan. 2, 2021, an increase that “far exceeds annual increases observed in recent years” of 2.5% or less, data in JAMA show. In other words, this trend pre-dates mass vaccination campaigns that barely got started mid December 2020.
https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20210402/allcause-m...