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There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by dham »

dathinab wrote: post #9

We know that: 1. A SARSCov2 infection can have all kinds of side effects affecting you even if you have a seemingly asymptotic infection, or post infection. Many of which have the chance to increase the chance of death through other causes. 2. An infection has the chance to weaken your immune system increasing your risk of death due to other reasons 3. People didn't took care (or couldn't) of other health issues as a…

Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all.

The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too. Also some viral infections are associated with miscarriages

Neurologic abnormalities - I still have smell distortion(not loss but certain distorted smells). I went to ENT and he's seen so much of it just in my town, so probably related to Covid for most people.

Congenital malformations - This is a thing with the Flu so probably coronaviruses too.

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

dham wrote: post #11
dathinab wrote: post #9

We know that: 1. A SARSCov2 infection can have all kinds of side effects affecting you even if you have a seemingly asymptotic infection, or post infection. Many of which have the chance to increase the chance of death through other causes. 2. An infection has the chance to weaken your immune system increasing your risk of death due to other reasons 3. People didn't took care (or couldn't) of other health issues as a…

Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all. The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too.…

How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by torstenvl »

roenxi wrote: post #3
drewcon wrote: post #2

I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.

It is unlikely to be the vaccine. This is probably some combination of hospital overload with a small dose of the lock-downs, business closures and mass firing of workers.

When you say "unlikely," do you mean according to your Bayesian priors or according to an analysis you'd like to share with us?

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by [deleted] »

drewcon wrote: post #2

I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.

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Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by agentgumshoe »

morelisp wrote: post #8
agentgumshoe wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you share a study showing where Covid is responsible for such rises in this particular age bracket? As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid, so is it not worth properly investigating the vaccines and other stress factors (lockdowns etc)? It is only delusional to start with something outside Covid if the data on Covid reflects the 40% clearly already.

> As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid When people say things like "not a high risk group for covid" it's shorthand for "not at immediate risk of serious respiratory covid symptoms should they contract the virus." It doesn't say anything about longer-term impacts (nor, confusingly for some people I guess, transmission); for that you need, well, studies like this. (But without the…

It's an interesting thing though that I often see these two views provided simultaneously:

> Long Covid symptoms are most likely caused by Covid (even if barely symptomatic from the initial infection! - example: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/health/long-covid-asympto...).

> Vaccine side effects are most likely not the vaccine, but stress, hospital restrictions, lockdowns, prior infections, less exercise, bad diet, etc.

Not really a consistent baseline or set of controls there.

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by dham »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #12
dham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all. The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too.…

How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?

I can't. Just posting my thoughts

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by dathinab »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #12
dham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all. The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too.…

How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?

Probably, because it also affects non vaccinated people which had covid?

But I don't have any medical data in either direction.

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by codechad »

roenxi wrote: post #3
drewcon wrote: post #2

I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.

It is unlikely to be the vaccine. This is probably some combination of hospital overload with a small dose of the lock-downs, business closures and mass firing of workers.

No post body was provided.

Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021

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Post by treeman79 »

dham wrote: post #5

Could this just be that people didn't generally go to doctors in 2020 so this is really 2020 and 2021?

I was in the process of recovering from some serious medical issues when I lost access to my doctors from covid. It was a scary set of months. Thankfully the last attempt at medication, after 3 years of failures, actually helped with out extreme side effects. If covid had been a month earlier I would have died. As it is I had to start replacing prescription blood thinners medications with OTC meds. Since appointments were so hard to get.

Actual covid was scary and upped my clotting and stroke problems for a good six months.

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