There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
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Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#2I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated.
By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#3I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
It is unlikely to be the vaccine. This is probably some combination of hospital overload with a small dose of the lock-downs, business closures and mass firing of workers.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#4I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
Can you share a study showing where Covid is responsible for such rises in this particular age bracket? As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid, so is it not worth properly investigating the vaccines and other stress factors (lockdowns etc)?
It is only delusional to start with something outside Covid if the data on Covid reflects the 40% clearly already.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#5Could this just be that people didn't generally go to doctors in 2020 so this is really 2020 and 2021?
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#6This report raises so many red flags it looks like a Chinese Communist Party congress.
To begin with, they conflate two different reports. The interviewed doctor is using words as "bombshell report" to describe statistical uncorrelated analysis. They claim the report comes from unspecified military doctors.
Then I stopped watching. I'm all for researching anomalies like these, but boy, there's also no way to understand how many of the people in these stats were vaccinated or not!
I call BS, because if it wasn't there would be no reason to dress this up this way.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#7I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
Welcome to the 21st century. It’s a lot like the 19th.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#8I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
Can you share a study showing where Covid is responsible for such rises in this particular age bracket? As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid, so is it not worth properly investigating the vaccines and other stress factors (lockdowns etc)? It is only delusional to start with something outside Covid if the data on Covid reflects the 40% clearly already.
> As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid
When people say things like "not a high risk group for covid" it's shorthand for "not at immediate risk of serious respiratory covid symptoms should they contract the virus." It doesn't say anything about longer-term impacts (nor, confusingly for some people I guess, transmission); for that you need, well, studies like this. (But without the antivax scam noise around it.)
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#9We know that:
1. A SARSCov2 infection can have all kinds of side effects affecting you even if you have a seemingly asymptotic infection, or post infection. Many of which have the chance to increase the chance of death through other causes.
2. An infection has the chance to weaken your immune system increasing your risk of death due to other reasons
3. People didn't took care (or couldn't) of other health issues as a side effect of the pandemic, fare and the pandemic measurements, increasing risk of death again by a small bit.
This is also not limited to medical death, for example non COVID specific: Sickness can cause you to have reduced reaction time or concentration which slightly increases you risk of dying by e.g. an car accident (if you drive).
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So what I'm trying to say is, I would say a non-small "all cause deaths" increase is expected, even if we would have had side effect free vaccines.
I.e. it's not a factual good basis for creating a conspiracy theory on.
Which doesn't mean that some increase might not be from vaccines, noting is perfect.
But most of it should be due to implicit side effects from covid, the pandemic, fare, delayed operations/healthcare etc.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#10Could this just be that people didn't generally go to doctors in 2020 so this is really 2020 and 2021?
That was predicted to happen back in 2020, when hospitals had to postpone cancer surgeries and the likes.
Unfortunately, the "whistleblowers" make no attempts at understanding statistics, much less explaining them, and just want to blame it all on vaccines. Please donate to their cause, because their livelihoods depend on finding a secret hidden scoop in publicly available data, and to everyone's surprise they did! What a coincidence.