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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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> The injections have most likely injured or killed hundreds of thousands of people just in the US, never mind the entire world. But the stats have been carefully rigged by policy since the beginning. This is false, please stop posting false information.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.

It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?

I despise smokers, fat goblins as much as antivaxxers like you. The whole argument about preventing transmission is only 2-3 months old what was the hesitation for the rest of the 1 1/2 years we have vaccines available? Cop out after cop out :)

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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> Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not? The vaccine appears to cause minor damage, but more likely from the spike protein than from the immune response. C.f. this article: https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavir... "She says she has preliminary evidence that vaccination can lead to microclots, although in most cases they go unnoticed and quickly disap…

I think this should be researched further. There are countries that are more or less unvaccinated and can serve as a control group. Without that you simply cannot answer the question.

You don’t need, and in fact lose validity, using entire countries as control groups

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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This should be part of our discourse going forward about transparency in clinical trials, but you do not need to rely on this data to make a rational decision to take the vaccine. There is loads of evidence from many different countries now, and there is enough granular evidence to weigh the potential downsides as well (i.e. take the lower dose mRNA if you’re young)

Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA

Yes, based on your personal risk. The vaccine substantially decreases your risk of severe disease from SARS-CoV-2 infection, even if you think that is a low baseline risk.

As a young person this comes with a slightly elevated risk of myocarditis, which can be mitigated by taking BNT (30 ug dose) or a half dose of moderna (50 dose). The UK study being discussed elsewhere in here estimates that risk (for young people) on par with risk of myocarditis from SARS-CoV-2 infection

If you have had a confirmed infection in the past then you have some immunity so the calculus is a bit different. Probably you should still get one vaccine dose, especially if your infection was pre-omicron

My main point is, there is plenty of data available for people to make this assessment for themselves, and holding out for FDA release is not going to provide meaningfully better insight into this risk assessment

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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The PCR test will not detect the vaccine, so all we have to accept here is hundreds of thousands of faked PCR results. Why stop there? Maybe no one has died of anything but the vaccine since the start of 2021? We can't possibly know since apparently the medical fraud is omnipresent.

> We can't possibly know

For that to happen, COVID would have to either kill nobody in 2020 so it could continue that in 2021, or abruptly stop killing people in 2021 (by what mechanism?) as soon as vaccines were rolled out anywhere (but not in places where they weren’t rolled out, how would it know?), and all vaccines would have to have the same effect despite working in different ways.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.

It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?

3 doses of vaccination is 60% protective against Omicron transmission. Its not 100% effective, but it's a lot higher than "doesn't".

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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I hope wearing an Apple watch is not a risk factor for heart attacks? :-)

I can imagine there being a small positive correlation between wearing an Apple watch and having heart attacks, somewhat like the plane armor story from WWII ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias#In_the_milit... ). Without the Apple watch monitoring your heart rate: you don't see the warning signs early enough and have a fatal heart attack, once. With the Apple watch: you get alerted earlier, get to hospi…

I believe elevated anxiety for health isn't good for your health in general, especially for your heart.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?

I despise smokers, fat goblins as much as antivaxxers like you. The whole argument about preventing transmission is only 2-3 months old what was the hesitation for the rest of the 1 1/2 years we have vaccines available? Cop out after cop out :)

Not antivaxer, had my jab recently. I just respect other people's choice. Science has been settled a bit too many times in the last two years so I can understand some degree of distrust

I like how I can figure out your hobbies by omissions. Have fun riding and drinking, not at the same time though ;)

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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There certainly was some disruption in gyms as workout places, but I'd be cautious about systematic conclusions like "broken everyone's regular exercise and healthy habits" given observable factors like: * increased personal time for workouts for anyone working remotely (or forgoing employment entirely) * dramatically increased demand & prices for home exercise equipment * shifts to cooking at home March / April 2020…

Absolutely. Sales of bike exercise equipment (plus Peloton’s share price), and outdoor sports gear went parabolic in 2020 and remain at record highs. The idea that “lockdowns” inhibited exercise while in many countries exercising outdoors is laughable.

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