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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by quenix »

Barrin92 wrote: post #231
verisimi wrote: post #188

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>Flu doesn't usually have this sort of impact, people fully recover. I legitimately cannot stand this flu meme any more. I'll quote Charles Stross: "Remember, this isn't a simple pneumonia bug. It's a virus that attacks the RAAS/ACE2 system, in particular all the epithelial tissues, and any other cells that express ACE2 receptors on their surfaces. It can mess with your kidneys. It can mess with fat cells, changing t…

Who is Charles Stross? Wikipedia: "[he is] a writer of science fiction and fantasy." What qualifies him to make such a statement?

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Post by magicalist »

WaxedChewbacca wrote: post #252
vegai_ wrote: post #161

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The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

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The PCR test will not detect the vaccine, so all we have to accept here is hundreds of thousands of faked PCR results.

Why stop there? Maybe no one has died of anything but the vaccine since the start of 2021? We can't possibly know since apparently the medical fraud is omnipresent.

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Post by scarygliders »

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We got rid of the control group, I wonder if that was smart.

It's not a control if it's self-selected.

Nonsense. If a person is unjabbed, they're in the control group, period.

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Post by jcbrand »

mschuster91 wrote: post #301
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It can be both. It's already known that vaccines increase rates of Myocarditis, especially amongst young males. It seems to be that the spike protein is responsible for this, which is present in both the virus and the vaccine.

> It's already known that vaccines increase rates of Myocarditis, especially amongst young males. An Israeli study showed an incidence rate of 2.13 cases/100k people [1] - the common incidence rate for myocarditis in the US is ~22/100k [2]. COVID-19 itself has a 146/100k incidence of myocarditis, in contrast [3]. So please, stop spreading that "vaccines increase the rate of myocarditis", there is no evidence that sup…

> The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million

So according to this study, if you're under 40 and have taken the Moderna vaccine, you are more likely to develop Myocarditis than after a Covid infection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

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Post by spywaregorilla »

madballster wrote: post #270

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

> A 2018 study found that the risk of having a heart attack was 6 times higher within a week of a confirmed flu infection."

Within a week seems trivially small to the point of irrelevance. That would be when they are still sick with the flu, no?

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Post by mekkkkkk »

WaxedChewbacca wrote: post #252
vegai_ wrote: post #161

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The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

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The VAERS reports might be the most malicious and poorly used data set in existence.

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Post by amcoastal »

dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Is it reasonable that the autoimmune response stimulated by vaccination could do this too?

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Post by yxwvut »

mseepgood wrote: post #354
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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

> nothing else has changed in my life Except that you got a year older.

Endurance typically improves with age into the mid/late 30s even at the elite level.

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Post by postsantum »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #349
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Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA

Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.

It is personal. As long as people around me are vaccinated, why would they care about my health? The vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting

In case you are talking about burdening the medical system, why not apply the same rhetoric to smoking, drinking, being fat and riding motorcycles?

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Post by tinus_hn »

> Ardehali cautions that the study’s observational nature comes with some limitations. For example, people in the contemporary control group weren’t tested for COVID-19, so it’s possible that some of them actually had mild infections.

Let’s just say that there are some statistical issues with this study design.

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