How much of these deaths are caused by COVID and how much are caused by anti-COVID measures (economical and emotional stress, isolation, depression)?
There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
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Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all. The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too.…
How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?
Vaccines had / have controlled groups where an increase in mortality can be observed. We don't have anywhere near that ability to track long-term outcomes of COVID.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of these can be from Covid / any other virus. For instance Bell's Palsy. I know 2 people who I went to school with who got it after having Covid (they were vaccinated too). Doctors didn't seem surprised at all. The interesting one is Miscarriages, Female infertility. That might/probably related to stress from pandemic in general / lockdowns / previous kids being at home trying to teach them and do your job too.…
How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?
Why would the vaccine have any side effect that COVID itself doesn't also have?
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#24I can’t believe there is going to be a serious conversation that this is vaccine caused vs. virus caused when we know the virus attacks many of these systems and were getting data back now that 12 month post infection has caused massive cardiac problems for unvaccinated. By all means, prove it out…but it’s a complete delusion to start with the shot vs. the virus.
Can you share a study showing where Covid is responsible for such rises in this particular age bracket? As far as I understand, 18-49 yr olds are not a high risk group for covid, so is it not worth properly investigating the vaccines and other stress factors (lockdowns etc)? It is only delusional to start with something outside Covid if the data on Covid reflects the 40% clearly already.
"Risk" has been almost exclusively defined in terms of hospitalization / death throughout the pandemic. Long term effects are poorly understood and not considered in risk calculations.
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Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#26Here is an alternative perspective:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defe...
One good tidbit from that site is that cancers take years to develop so it is hard to believe that there was a multi 100% uptick in cancer diagnoses last year.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
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How can you be sure it was from COVID and not the vaccine?
Why would the vaccine have any side effect that COVID itself doesn't also have?
one of the few reasons I can think of is allergic reactions to the ingredients, but that is very rare and fairly avoidable.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
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It is unlikely to be the vaccine. This is probably some combination of hospital overload with a small dose of the lock-downs, business closures and mass firing of workers.
When you say "unlikely," do you mean according to your Bayesian priors or according to an analysis you'd like to share with us?
(not original commenter) according to all the best data we have on the safety profiles of the vaccines, and the data we have on covid, it would make much more sense for it to be covid. This is on the front page right now:
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#29Some addition sources:
[0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/31/instagram-...
[1] https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-pa...
[2] https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html
[3] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-whistleblowers-share...
[4] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon...
[5] https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=13987
Either there was an unusual underreporting error for 5 years that went unnoticed and is yet to be explained or the spike is legitimate and is being covered up because it's inconvenient.
Either way, very suspect.
The database has been taken down to adjust the data.
Re: There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths’ in 2021
#30Some addition sources: [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/31/instagram-... [1] https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-pa... [2] https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html [3] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-whistleblowers-share... [4] https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon... [5] https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=13987 Either…
wow some really low quality and biased sources to back up a low quality and biased source...
This is literally just a rehashing of VAERS fear-mongering
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defe...