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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by yaris »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #63
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

As I read the text of the study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...) it directly says: "First, we confirm and extend our previous findings in more than 42 million persons that the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis following COVID-19 infection is higher than the risk associated with vaccination in the overall population." Is it another study you have where the risk [] is higher after Moderna/Pfizer than after COVID?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by CipherThrowaway »

ptidhomme wrote: post #56
moconnor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The paper literally describes taking this into account.

Indeed thanks, although I understand they didn't make distinct groups according to status, which would have made results more convincing.

Might have made the results less convincing to a peer review. Simple bucketing creates large exposure to confounders in a retrospective analysis which is why researchers turn to more complex models to adjust for e.g. vaccination status in this case.

Assuming you are a software engineer. You know how sometimes a manager, layperson or junior says something like "Why are you making things so complicated by using git. We can just share the code on Dropbox?" Or maybe a student says "Why do arrays start at 0? It's so much simpler to start at 1." Well other professions have their own version of that situation. As a non-researcher it is not always going to be obvious why research methodology seems more complicated or specific than it needs to be.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by mupuff1234 »

I find it weird that there's no mentions of variants, but I assume based on the timeline it's probably Delta and older.

Seems impossible to tell if this holds for omicron as well, given that it's replication behavior and general outcome is a bit different and usually more mild.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by consp »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #61
pstrateman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to that study?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

You keep quoting this research like it is something special. The EMA has know this for quite some time to be in the 1-10 in 100000 and more prevailant in males aging 12-35. It either goes away by itself or with medication though you are advised to seek medical attention if you feel anything strange. At least where I live no cases are known of death due this in stark contrast to the actual desease.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by lox »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #63
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed"

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by rex-mundi »

abc_lisper wrote: post #27
bongoman37 wrote: post #3

Anecdotally, a friend of mine in his early 40s got covid, recovered fully, had a fatal heart attack a month later. Seems we will see an uptick in deaths from this for some time.

Vaccination status?

When was this,? asking as omicron is a very different beast than delta

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by piva00 »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #61
pstrateman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to that study?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

From the paper, 3rd paragraph from the end in the "Main" section:

> "First, we confirm and extend our previous findings in more than 42 million persons that the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis following COVID-19 infection is higher than the risk associated with vaccination in the overall population."

Quick edit: while I was skimming the paper someone else commented exactly this excerpt, hehe.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

devin wrote: post #64
abc_lisper wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One has to be incredibly lucky to not get Covid at some point, now that it has become endemic.

COVID is not endemic.

I see endemic used to mean different things.

I think most people just mean that it is now established and won't go away. That it will be a constant presence in our lives.

I believe epidemiologists also require that infection rates remain roughly constant and don't exhibit wild swings in infection numbers.

I guess we're still in an epidemic.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by easymodex »

dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?
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