Anecdotally, a friend of mine in his early 40s got covid, recovered fully, had a fatal heart attack a month later. Seems we will see an uptick in deaths from this for some time.
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The paper literally describes taking this into account.
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#34What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?
The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.
> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine .
What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men.
> So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.
This is a separate claim about the conditional probability, which I haven't seen data on. The unconditional probability does not inform the conditional probability.
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That's only true if the vaccine reduces the chance of myocarditis in patients that go on to get Covid.
One has to be incredibly lucky to not get Covid at some point, now that it has become endemic.
That's the point. You're still going to get Covid, so the question is, does having the vaccine reduce the prevalence of myocarditis in Covid patients? If it's the same as in the unvaccinated population, then (ignoring other actual benefits for a moment) taking the vaccine may actually increase your risk of myocarditis, since there is the risk with the vaccine itself, plus the risk once you get Covid.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.
Who is this person/organisation that made every authority agree with each other for the first time in history?
People spontaneously cooperate all the time based on their selfinterests. I don't intend to argue for the commenters position, but this blanket argument against everything that even remotely resembles a 'conspiracy' is not correct.
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#37Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.
That's only true if the vaccine reduces the chance of myocarditis in patients that go on to get Covid.
The article says that the vaccine greatly reduces the rate of heart disease amongst people that eventually get covid.
Essentially everyone that survives the next couple of years will catch covid.
Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case
#39COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101
and
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6
The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before mortality from cardiovascular issues in COVID negative formerly infected people goes much higher and much younger. We need studies on the cardiovascular recovery pace after COVID damage in different age groups, and after repeat COVID diagnosis from different variants.
Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case
#40What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?
We got rid of the control group, I wonder if that was smart.
Control group here. My heart is perfectly fine and I got symptomatic COVID 2 times.