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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by abc_lisper »

tux1968 wrote: post #35
abc_lisper wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One has to be incredibly lucky to not get Covid at some point, now that it has become endemic.

That's the point. You're still going to get Covid, so the question is, does having the vaccine reduce the prevalence of myocarditis in Covid patients? If it's the same as in the unvaccinated population, then (ignoring other actual benefits for a moment) taking the vaccine may actually increase your risk of myocarditis, since there is the risk with the vaccine itself, plus the risk once you get Covid.

Yeah, taking the vaccination reduces the chance of myocarditis. https://theconversation.com/myocarditis-covid-19-is-a-much-b...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by theteapot »

hedora wrote: post #38
tux1968 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's only true if the vaccine reduces the chance of myocarditis in patients that go on to get Covid.

The article says that the vaccine greatly reduces the rate of heart disease amongst people that eventually get covid. Essentially everyone that survives the next couple of years will catch covid.

> The article says that the vaccine greatly reduces the rate of heart disease amongst people that eventually get covid.

It does?? Where does it say this?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by fer »

macilacilove wrote: post #36
fer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is this person/organisation that made every authority agree with each other for the first time in history?

People spontaneously cooperate all the time based on their selfinterests. I don't intend to argue for the commenters position, but this blanket argument against everything that even remotely resembles a 'conspiracy' is not correct.

My point is, if every (or almost every) actor does the same thing, and someone argues that's bad/damaging/not the best course of action, the only explanations are either:

* All actors are anti-rational (not just irrational, which leads sometimes to seemingly rational actions).

* There's something else pressuring them into taking an anti-rational decision.

I'd be surprised if it's the first, so I ask about the second. Unless the commenter means that killing your own citizens is in self-interest of the state, then leaving COVID run rampant would have been better option anyway.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Santosh83 »

donquichotte wrote: post #15
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

We got rid of the control group, I wonder if that was smart.

Am unvaccinated and recovered too. Heart is fine, as far as I can tell.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by ptidhomme »

moconnor wrote: post #32
ptidhomme wrote: post #4

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The paper literally describes taking this into account.

Indeed thanks, although I understand they didn't make distinct groups according to status, which would have made results more convincing.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tempestn »

wesleywt wrote: post #16
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

Everyone will eventually be exposed to covid (probably repeatedly). It's possible with vaccinations that not everyone will be infected with covid however, as even against omicron it appears 3 doses of vaccine (especially a mix of pfizer and moderna) provide efficacy of 60%+ for at least 15 weeks. Omicron-specific versions of the mRNA vaccines are also already in testing, so I would hope those will be available for future boosters. (Of course there will be future variants as well, but it seems likely those would branch off of Omicron, so an updated vaccine would likely still prove more effective than the current ones would.)

I suppose for some version of "eventually" then everyone would likely expect to get a breakthrough case eventually, but even so the vaccines should drastically reduce the number of times one expects to be infected, so still risk would be reduced, even if it wasn't for breakthrough cases (although it appears that vaccines reduce the risk there as well).

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dataflow »

pstrateman wrote: post #43
csee wrote: post #34

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> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men. > So indirectly getting vaccine will…

Do you have a link to that study?

Probably https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... but I haven't looked at it.

Also while I'm here, here's another article discussing the topic: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/jan/31/joe-rogan-co...

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