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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by f6v »

ekianjo wrote: post #7
soperj wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got billions of people worldwide who've been vaccinated. How many have had instances of heart failure?

> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.

Somewhat off-topic, but my favorite game now is one upping the COVID conspiracy theorists. Whenever they talk about the pandemic being engineered by the world elites, I say: “You really think it has been created here on Earth? Oh, poor you! It obviously has extraterrestrial origin!”.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by f6v »

Ambolia wrote: post #9
ekianjo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.

Should be simple to determine if we just check if the increased cases started in 2020 before vaccine rollout or in 2021 after the rollout.

Check for what? Spurious correlations?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by pstrateman »

csee wrote: post #34
wesleywt wrote: post #16

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The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men. > So indirectly getting vaccine will…

Do you have a link to that study?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by teataster »

sofixa wrote: post #21
ekianjo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.

What.. how? Why? What's the vested interest for the Mali, Bulgaria, Brazil, Lesotho, Nepal authorities in promoting vaccines no matter what?

Optics. That's the true name of the evil overlord.

Government cares about "looking" like they are doing the right thing. Because they want to get public support.

Then there is corruption. But I will say that's a secondary issue. Anyways, I am pretty sure once govt changes were I am from, former politicians will find a job easily in pharma. Again this is secondary and will always happen.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by 0x640x6D »

wesleywt wrote: post #16
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

For asymptomatic and mild cases as well?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by qwertox »

f6v wrote: post #29
tomp wrote: post #10

This blog post argues that the risk is even higher for COVID after vaccine. https://dailysceptic.org/2022/02/09/heart-problems-after-cov... Heart Problems After Covid Are Much Worse for the Vaccinated, Nature Study Shows – But It’s Hidden in the Appendix*

> Heart Problems After Covid Are Much Worse for the Vaccinated, Nature Study Shows It might as well be that those who are vaccinated and still get sick are just predisposed to heart complications. Saying they get those because they were vaccinated is a fallacy.

Didn't even request his "findings" to be peer reviewed. Or ask the authors to clarify his questions. Just assumes some stuff and hits it out with a catchy headline.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tux1968 »

hedora wrote: post #38
tux1968 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's only true if the vaccine reduces the chance of myocarditis in patients that go on to get Covid.

The article says that the vaccine greatly reduces the rate of heart disease amongst people that eventually get covid. Essentially everyone that survives the next couple of years will catch covid.

Honest question: is myocarditis and "heart disease" exactly equivalent for purposes of that assertion? In any case, you would have to subtract the percentage of people who get myocarditis from the vaccine itself, before deciding on the net benefit.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by yehosef »

wesleywt wrote: post #16
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

Sources? - I've heard the opposite for young males.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

abc_lisper wrote: post #27
bongoman37 wrote: post #3

Anecdotally, a friend of mine in his early 40s got covid, recovered fully, had a fatal heart attack a month later. Seems we will see an uptick in deaths from this for some time.

Vaccination status?

Also could be a coincidence... lots of factors go into whether or not you have a heart attack.
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