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Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Reminds me of the practice of Translations.com / Transperfect, one of the largest language services providers. Their HR policy is to not allow employees to name the company in any online space, social media or otherwise. So when you see staff on LinkedIn, for instance, their employer will invariable say "Leading language service provider" or similar. These seem to be completely unreasonable policies, to me, that in e…

Lots of finance prop shops do this too

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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I remember when I interned at Intel, on the way out I asked about references and I was told, very nicely, that Intel's official policy is to only confirm employment. I suspect that this is really what Apple is doing; but that some accident of circumstance required them to provide a very generic title. Perhaps they can't confirm employment without some kind of title, and that title's now been twisted out of context? F…

Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. Anyway, this is not what Apple is doing. They are downgrading everyone by default, which is akin to providing false information about a former employee.

Software Engineer 1, Software Engineer 4... Often the title is bestowed to keep someone in a pay grade. ("Oh, we are really strict about salaries and only pay market rate. Everyone within the same title gets paid the same... But I think I can get you promoted to rank 22.")

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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If lying on your resume is fraud, then we're going to need a whole lot of prison cells.

„i leveraged prior experience in ultra-scalable real-time systems at the edge with my people skills to produce X“ type of bullshit is different than „i had this very specific role at a large and known company that is only assigned to people that have demonstrated high levels of skill“, the latter is plain fraud if not true. it‘s like saying „i have a pilot license“ if you don't

Not that I condone it, but can you please point out exactly which laws are broken when you lie on a resume?

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Do these companies consistently use associates, or is there a division between say hourly and salary, or retail vs back-office employees? (I am specifically excluding things like directory and C-level positions because those tend to be much more specialized contracts.) For example, Trader Joe's has Crew Members for the average retail workers, and Mates/Captain for the manager level. Just the titles alone implied a hi…

I work for a moderately large software company. We absolutely refer to everyone as associates if we're referring to everyone who works for the company. (Naturally everyone has specific titles as well, which may not be what they refer to themselves on their business cards/at conferences/Linkedin/etc.)

With your company, if a potential employer called up and asked what my job title was (and lets assume your company would give out that info) would they say what my job title was, or would they say I'm an associate?

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

„i leveraged prior experience in ultra-scalable real-time systems at the edge with my people skills to produce X“ type of bullshit is different than „i had this very specific role at a large and known company that is only assigned to people that have demonstrated high levels of skill“, the latter is plain fraud if not true. it‘s like saying „i have a pilot license“ if you don't

Not that I condone it, but can you please point out exactly which laws are broken when you lie on a resume?

Exactly. They aren't legally binding. An employer can fire you for lying though.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Reminds me of the practice of Translations.com / Transperfect, one of the largest language services providers. Their HR policy is to not allow employees to name the company in any online space, social media or otherwise. So when you see staff on LinkedIn, for instance, their employer will invariable say "Leading language service provider" or similar. These seem to be completely unreasonable policies, to me, that in e…

sounds like something out of the CIA

People who I know who have worked in intelligence have a career history on linkedIn which says they worked in diplomatic service or something similar. If you think about it, it makes sense given they would need to have such a cover job to get visas and so forth. You can't show up at some posting and try to explain "Yes I know my LinkedIn says '2005-2015 Secret Intelligence Service' but now I'm actually a legitimate diplomat".

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…

If they wanted to protect privacy, they would only have two responses: "We confirm that this person worked for Apple, ending on [date]. By policy, we don't discuss any further details." "We do not have records that this person worked for Apple."

This was the policy during the time I worked at Goldman Sachs in fact. They wouldn't confirm any details other than your employment dates.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

„i leveraged prior experience in ultra-scalable real-time systems at the edge with my people skills to produce X“ type of bullshit is different than „i had this very specific role at a large and known company that is only assigned to people that have demonstrated high levels of skill“, the latter is plain fraud if not true. it‘s like saying „i have a pilot license“ if you don't

Not that I condone it, but can you please point out exactly which laws are broken when you lie on a resume?

literally whatever is the statue against plain and simple fraud in your country.

it‘s like saying „hey wanna buy this iphone? its totally not a fake!“ when you know it‘s fake.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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post #296

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I work for a moderately large software company. We absolutely refer to everyone as associates if we're referring to everyone who works for the company. (Naturally everyone has specific titles as well, which may not be what they refer to themselves on their business cards/at conferences/Linkedin/etc.)

With your company, if a potential employer called up and asked what my job title was (and lets assume your company would give out that info) would they say what my job title was, or would they say I'm an associate?

I have no idea what our HR would give out if someone called to verify I worked there. I would actually have to look up my official HR level anyway as it's something I never use and wouldn't put on a resume anyway.
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