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The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Note that 'cultural legacy' is completely different from 'organized religion'. Celebrating 'Christmas' as a family get-together is completely different from celebrating the arrival of the messiah and deriving your complete moral compass from that.

I think cultural legacy is more deeply intertwined with morals than people appreciate. It’s just hard to see it because you’re surrounded by it. It’s easier to notice when you compare between countries and across religious traditions. My dad was raised very religious (Muslim) in Bangladesh. His grandfather was an imam. He is non-religious and I grew up non-religious, but I joined a Christian church after I got marrie…

Obsession about equality as a central tenet in Christianity? You may want to read up on the crusades, slavery, the 30 year war, how even other Christian immigrants (Irish, Italian, etc) were welcomed into the US etc.

Also, just because some Christians share some of the morals of your humanist friend does not imply any relation whatsoever. There appears to be that desire from religious groups to often exaggerate and emphasize any such correlation as something more. When your friend meets with his family at the end of December and again at the equinox in spring - do you point out how Paganist he is? And, when you as a Christian presumably celebrate Christmas and Easter with your family - do you tell them they are just like Pagans as well? If not - why not?

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Note that 'cultural legacy' is completely different from 'organized religion'. Celebrating 'Christmas' as a family get-together is completely different from celebrating the arrival of the messiah and deriving your complete moral compass from that.

I think cultural legacy is more deeply intertwined with morals than people appreciate. It’s just hard to see it because you’re surrounded by it. It’s easier to notice when you compare between countries and across religious traditions. My dad was raised very religious (Muslim) in Bangladesh. His grandfather was an imam. He is non-religious and I grew up non-religious, but I joined a Christian church after I got marrie…

> I mean, how many societies have a religion centered around some other ethnic group?

Plenty. Southeast Asia has religions centered around Indian or Arab religions. Same for Iran and much of Central Asia with Islam.

All these places have adapted the other ethnicity's belief system to their own culture.

It's no different for Christianity. Bertrand Russell described it as the combination of Greek philosophy with Jewish mythology and Roman societal/power structures.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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I think cultural legacy is more deeply intertwined with morals than people appreciate. It’s just hard to see it because you’re surrounded by it. It’s easier to notice when you compare between countries and across religious traditions. My dad was raised very religious (Muslim) in Bangladesh. His grandfather was an imam. He is non-religious and I grew up non-religious, but I joined a Christian church after I got marrie…

Question. How would you suggest I square your claims about Arab society with the observed fact that every year thousands of girls die in Arab countries from honor killings. And the fact that, as https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019538/mena-arab-respon... shows, in many of these countries, significant minorities think that such killings are justified. Killing your own child suggests to me that kinship means rather…

Honor killings happen because kinship ties are so strong. The individual becomes completely subsumed within the family. Anything that brings shame to the individual is imputed to the whole family. Moreover, controlling reproduction becomes extremely important because that is how kinship links between families are created.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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>The problem is media, schools, companies. I can only upvote. My comment is probably not very good for HN.

How so?

In terms of the media, politics, ideology, just any one of them could get ugly in a hurry. And if you have all three, that is not a good start.

Although I am glad this topic is finally getting "some" attention.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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I read the policies on Yang's website during the NYC race and dug into them. > He provides actual substantive policy suggestions with evidence to support his claims. This is untrue. The policy suggestions are all poorly researched and reminded me of the kind of ideas you'd see on a comedy show like Silicon Valley... you know, TV depictions of tech bros coming up with "solutions" for problems that they don't understan…

> The policy suggestions are all poorly researched and reminded me of the kind of ideas you'd see on a comedy show like Silicon Valley... you know, TV depictions of tech bros coming up with "solutions" for problems that they don't understand. Spare me the uneducated "tech bro" commentary that I've heard throughout. It's unoriginal. I'm eager to hear your ranked choices and what policies made so much more sense to you…

> Spare me the uneducated "tech bro" commentary that I've heard throughout. It's unoriginal.

Comedy writers make original takes, I’m just some rando on the internet sharing my opinion. Likely it’s gonna be an opinion you heard before.

> I'm eager to hear your ranked choices and what policies made so much more sense to you though than Yang's and what Yang's good ideas were.

Why?

Are you looking for five (5) opportunities to roast different politicians running in the Democratic primary that I think were better qualified for the mayoral position than Yang? No thanks, I don’t see the point. Pick anyone that ran. Chances are, I preferred that person over Yang.

You’re also casting the discussion strictly in terms of policies. Policies are only one of the reasons that I would choose one candidate over another—I disliked Yang for lots of other reasons besides policy.

> Yang made PR plunders sure, but it was completely disproportionate.

It wasn’t just “PR blunders”, he made mistake after mistake, and those mistakes betrayed unfamiliarity with basic stuff that a good NYC mayor should know. He proposed making domestic violence shelters (that already exist), he proposed having the MTA take control of various bridges and tunnels (which are already under its control), he made comments about the conflict in Israel and Palestine (with predictable results). And then when he (predictably) got some bad press, he whined about it like a schoolkid being bullied at recess.

It would be one thing if he actually were a little kid getting picked on by bullies. But he’s an adult, this is politics, and the reason he got picked on so much by the press is because he was a constant source of entertainment—either when he made a basic mistake, or when he whined about how he was being treated by the press. That kind of behavior gets clicks and eyeballs online.

> It's odd to me that you can be so complimentary towards Eric Adams though…

Maybe I was relying too much on subtext. “Say what you will about X” one of the most uncomplimentary ways you can introduce a subject into a discussion. Even though grammatically, it’s a request for you to talk about Eric Adams, it’s not actually a request for you to talk about Eric Adams.

I don’t know if the above explanation is appropriate or welcome to you, but I have started explaining subtext in direct terms, for various reasons.

> Yang talked about the mentally ill, homeless population, the need for enforcement of Kendra's law, psych beds, and the concern of ordinary New Yorkers.

Yeah, among other things, he proposed homeless shelters dedicated to domestic violence victims, which already exist. He talked about a ton of things, but talk isn’t enough. He showed that he lacked basic knowledge about the policies he proposed.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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I think cultural legacy is more deeply intertwined with morals than people appreciate. It’s just hard to see it because you’re surrounded by it. It’s easier to notice when you compare between countries and across religious traditions. My dad was raised very religious (Muslim) in Bangladesh. His grandfather was an imam. He is non-religious and I grew up non-religious, but I joined a Christian church after I got marrie…

Obsession about equality as a central tenet in Christianity? You may want to read up on the crusades, slavery, the 30 year war, how even other Christian immigrants (Irish, Italian, etc) were welcomed into the US etc. Also, just because some Christians share some of the morals of your humanist friend does not imply any relation whatsoever. There appears to be that desire from religious groups to often exaggerate and e…

> Obsession about equality as a central tenet in Christianity? You may want to read up on the crusades, slavery, the 30 year war, how even other Christian immigrants (Irish, Italian, etc) were welcomed into the US etc.

You may want to read up on slavery. Abolition in Christian societies was mainly a religious movement. Arab societies practiced it extensively as well, but kept going until the 20th century, and only really stopped because of international pressure from Christian countries.

The crusades? Both Muslims and Christians engaged in offensive military campaigns during the crusades. Only in Christian countries do any appreciable number of people feel bad about it.

Likewise, the speed at which Irish and Italians were integrated into American society is pretty much unparalleled by anything in any non-Christian society. I’m Bangladeshi on both sides back into the the dim reaches of history. But if I went back I would be “bideshi” (foreigner) because I was raised in American. My white wife and mixed kids would never be considered Bangladeshi, no matter how long they lived there. (It’s an ethnostate: a country for people of ancertsin

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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You’ve got to give people a way to live out their lives with some minimal amounts of dignity, self respect, and some basic life necessities like those. If they can’t find those they’ll turn to all the evils of humanity to obtain their semblances or numbness.

Society was formed because it was better for all members than all members being left to do it all themselves. Fail to fulfill the basic needs of its members and those members lose their incentives to abide the social contract.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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This is such a weird take. You really don't need to be all that special or beautiful to find a partner, I've always been a stocky guy all my life and I never had a real issue finding sexual partners and now I'm happily married with kids. Get yourself a personality, don't be weird, dress decently and talk to people. That's really all you need, no matter what you look like there's someone out there that's into it. Don'…

At the height of a loneliness epidemic, it's hard to get a personality and talk to people. Don't get me wrong, your conclusion is spot on. Getting there is the hard part. Another factor is we live in a period in time where we have so much choice on how to spend our time, products that are personalized to each of our own tastes, that creates sparsity of shared experiences. No longer is there a movie like Star Wars, th…

> you need to go out of your way to find someone who shares your taste in film, music, art, games and ideas.

You may as well just be with yourself at that point. Someone else bringing new experiences that you don't share, to learn and involve yourself in going forward, is where interest is found.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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It's... really not that bad? Actually, it's pretty fun. I work from home, wife doesn't, that makes me the defacto stay-at-home dad. It's definitely playing the startup game in "hard mode" but I love not missing a thing.

Also work from home and 100% disagree. Can hardly get anything done with a 4 month old.

Oh no! Well, it gets easier as the kid gets older. But they say every kid is different so YMMV. I only have the one, he's 4, and he's pretty easy.

Suerte.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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The majority of couples meet on Tinder these days. Your advice is outdated

Source ?

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-w...

39% in 2017. I'd be very curious to know the numbers over the past two years as in 2017 bars/restaurants were at 27%, school/college at 9%, and work at 11%.

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