Just curious. May it be that TikTok pushes more anti US and pro Chinese clips? I mean it was just my observation using the app, that if I'm getting political clips it is mostly against the west and never against china.
TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes
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Countries deciding that foreigners can't use their citizen's data willy-nilly is neither authoritarian nor over-reach, and neither is restricting those foreigners from access when they don't comply. For a generally accepted instance, see the EU GDPR.
GDPR applies to european companies too.
And only competitive advantage it really gives is that data must remain inside EU. Which seem pretty reasonable ask. And not too big hurdle for any company with enough power to enter the market.
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Neither does TikTok if you don't upload anything.
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Accusing HN users of being paid shills doesn't add to the conversation. If we can't scrutinize overtly-vague technical criticisms w/o being called names then what's the point?
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China didn't specifically "ban" US social networks because they were US social networks. The companies themselves didn't want to comply with Chinese laws so they cannot operate there. It's the same as Facebook now threatening to leave the EU if they have to comply with EU data protection laws.
China structures things overwhelmingly in favor of its domestic companies to the point of ridiculousness. It's well past simple tariffs when you need joint ventures, a license to operate a website, source code disclosure, key escrow, government censors, Taiwan/Tibet/Hong Kong/Uiyghur tiptoeing, and who knows what else. A US company operating in China under its own international brand is a sucker who fell for a pretty…
US companies go to China because they want to make money. Pure and simple. China has laws, that they need to comply with. Nobody is being forced to do things, in one side or another. If US companies want to operate overseas, they need to follow other countries rules, the same way that happens inside the US. If US companies don't want to make money from the Chinese market, they can just chose to leave.
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On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. You're comparing economical standpoint here and I agree with that.
Certainly not Western Europe.
I mean it's simply not true, ask any non-European person who has lived on both continents where he feels more welcome.
On what social issues are excatly Euros more left wing compared to Americans?
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To me an executive order doomed to fail in the courts really isn't a real attempt.
The possibility of failure is inherently involved in "attempting". Otherwise it's just "doing".
If you attempt something knowing full well it has a 100% chance of failure, was it really a meaningful action?
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#217I believe that Facebook and Google collect more of my data than any other company in the world. And I know very well that they share all that data with US intelligence, because that's what they are required to do. That said, I don't see any problem in using another countries' app that might be doing the same thing that bigger violators like FB and Google are already doing. And, notice, I live in the US. For people oversees I can guarantee that this sentiment is even more common.
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#218It goes to China.
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TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.
Right, I actually see this as a very simple trade issue! China doesn't allow US social networks in China, so the US shouldn't allow Chinese social networks in the US. Doing anything else means that Chinese companies have the ability to build international platforms—where both Chinese and US citizens can participate—and US companies do not. Furthermore, those international platforms could potentially be made to enforc…
To do this, we can't just say "Chinese social networks are not allowed in the US", because that is not what China is doing. You need to outlaw whatever it is TikTok is doing that you do not like in the first place.
Facebook is not allowed to operate in China not because they are American, but because they do not want to comply with Chinese law.
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> Show me how this works, now. Let's say we had this. We had some ML/AI team go up to Congress/DoJ and show them some tensors, some "back propagating LSTM" horseshit. How does that help the people that don't understand how the ad model works? Hell, I bet there is _no one_ using AI or tensors or any of that shit that can tell you _why_ their model output Foo instead of Bar.
Just because the 84-year-old Sen. Hatch (who retired in 2019) asked a dumb question doesn't mean there aren't smart people in government. ( Edit : Although I might have been misreading your ad model sentence as the above) If explainability is a problem (e.g. "We don't know why our algorithm recommends higher-interest rate loan products to African Americans"), then that's a rabbit hole that needs to have funding put t…
> doesn't mean there aren't smart people in government.
agreed and I was flippant to make a point. I did not mean to say there aren't smart people in government. But I would venture to say that people who understand ML/AI are _not_ working in the government. Or put more correctly, the _odds_ of a person working in government being up to date on how LSTM works today is such a low number, that I would be fair to say it is extremely unlikely that anyone on any board would be smarter than Sen Hatch _in this domain_.
> then that's a rabbit hole that needs to have funding put towards digging up as well.
Agreed and is the larger point I was trying to make: we currently, no matter how smart you are, have _any_ way of knowing what your "algorithm" is doing. Or if you do, it's a rule-based system and isn't AI/ML. We should though! And I think pursuing that will give us much higher rate of return than our black-box strategy everyone seems to be using.