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Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by sjg007 »

toyg wrote: post #20
saturdaysaint wrote: post #3

I feel like TikTok is significantly underdiscussed, almost like the tech and business press are assuming it's a flash-in-the-pan more similar to Snapchat than Facebook. It is almost certainly having a major impact on the business of some of the most prominent publicly traded companies in the US, yet there are just a handful of articles discussing their impact on Facebook's disastrous quarterly results.

Nobody cares because (it is perceived that) there is no political discourse on TikTok yet. It was the same for Twitter and Facebook. Then Trump happened and People With Important Jobs started paying attention to them. There has not been such a catalyst event for TikTok yet. Like with Zoom, there is a vague feeling among the security-paranoid that the Chinese are leveraging it for data-gathering, but as long as they g…

There was plenty of political discourse on TikTok in the last election cycle. Every tiktok meme had a pro Trump anti Biden version.

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Post by Dma54rhs »

maxehmookau wrote: post #15
cloutchaser wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really curious, can you name someone who you think is just "right"? Like who isn't "far-right" in your opinion?

I'm from the UK, so it's a relative concept. The US, except for some fairly small pockets of actual socialist left-wing thinking, is much further to the right. A lot of western europe loved Obama, but in reality he was closer to the UK Conservative party than the UK Labour party. But I'm even more curious, would you not describe Tucker Carlson as far right in his views?

On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. You're comparing economical standpoint here and I agree with that.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by yumraj »

tiepoul wrote: post #4

We should be aware that any free app that we can use has its business model or any method that somehow benefits the company.

Except in this case it’s not just the company but rather the country, China, and the CCP

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by cm2012 »

robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by anonymouse008 »

Just ask yourself: who has what incentives?

A state actor always desires insight into an adversary. The survival of nations depends on being able to either cooperate with others or subdue those who will not. The result of a state's strategy in these arenas is predominantly determined by their ability to predict the counterpart's behaviors, both at a citizen and leadership level.

Why TikTok is not seen as the ultimate embodiment of these incentives and immediately banned from the US is beyond me.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by netcan »

robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

>> China is not a good faith operator.

Who is? I don't mean to be trite or contrary, but TikTok is coming into an environment where norms are pretty damned shady. Google as you and the article say, also consume user data quite unethically.

FB likewise surveil us for their advertising businesses. They both also happen to host and control a good chunk of political and politically adjacent content within that framework. Police and regulate it with no transparency. FB are also gave us our first big "scandals" with third party trackers and/or data sharing.

Other countries (including, but definitely not exclusively) also use tech companies as espionage assets.

TikTok is just a new pig at the trough.

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Post by conjectures »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #22
maxehmookau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from the UK, so it's a relative concept. The US, except for some fairly small pockets of actual socialist left-wing thinking, is much further to the right. A lot of western europe loved Obama, but in reality he was closer to the UK Conservative party than the UK Labour party. But I'm even more curious, would you not describe Tucker Carlson as far right in his views?

On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. You're comparing economical standpoint here and I agree with that.

> On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American.

Dubious.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by Bombthecat »

cm2012 wrote: post #24
robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.

Tried that already, didn't work..

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by Kaze404 »

yumraj wrote: post #23
tiepoul wrote: post #4

We should be aware that any free app that we can use has its business model or any method that somehow benefits the company.

Except in this case it’s not just the company but rather the country, China, and the CCP

What makes you think this is an exception?
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