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TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by anonymouse008 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #87
anonymouse008 wrote: post #25

Just ask yourself: who has what incentives? A state actor always desires insight into an adversary. The survival of nations depends on being able to either cooperate with others or subdue those who will not. The result of a state's strategy in these arenas is predominantly determined by their ability to predict the counterpart's behaviors, both at a citizen and leadership level. Why TikTok is not seen as the ultimate…

>Just ask yourself: who has what incentives? The company for more money? Similar to the incentives behind Google and Facebook.

[Edit] For those curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmZsUbYIfA

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by waffleiron »

capableweb wrote: post #86
waffleiron wrote: post #67

OP changed the title, it nowhere says "any other app".

Reading the title at cnbc right now says "TikTok shares your data more than any other social media app — and it’s unclear where it goes, study says" for me. I guess it was edited to get shorter and within the 80 character limit that HN has for submission titles.

"TikTok shares your data more than any other social media app" fits easily in the 80 character limit. No need to change "any other social media app" to "any other app" for that reason. This feels like it's actively trying to mislead people.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by duxup »

nsajko wrote: post #62
duxup wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They banned tik tok ?

Trump tried doing something like that in a predictably half-assed, illegal and obviously inappropriate manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_co...

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Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by classified »

snehk wrote: post #37
robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

The "Chinese data harvesting software" has less trackers than the site reporting about it (CNBC.com).

Yes, many trackers, for many different companies that all serve their own ends. TikTok on the other hand only serves one master, the Chinese government. They only need this one tentacle, no need for multiple trackers.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by topspin »

netcan wrote: post #26
robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

>> China is not a good faith operator. Who is? I don't mean to be trite or contrary, but TikTok is coming into an environment where norms are pretty damned shady. Google as you and the article say, also consume user data quite unethically. FB likewise surveil us for their advertising businesses. They both also happen to host and control a good chunk of political and politically adjacent content within that framework.…

> Who is?

That was my thought. Listing the 'good faith' operators might be feasible, if only because the list would be very short.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by marginalia_nu »

vorpalhex wrote: post #63
snehk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China didn't specifically "ban" US social networks because they were US social networks. The companies themselves didn't want to comply with Chinese laws so they cannot operate there. It's the same as Facebook now threatening to leave the EU if they have to comply with EU data protection laws.

They didn't want to comply with laws requiring giving the Chinese government full access to their data.

Well I mean the US kinda does that too. That's why Schrems II was able to invalidate EU-US Privacy Shield.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

cm2012 wrote: post #24
robbedpeter wrote: post #5

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.

Right, I actually see this as a very simple trade issue! China doesn't allow US social networks in China, so the US shouldn't allow Chinese social networks in the US.

Doing anything else means that Chinese companies have the ability to build international platforms—where both Chinese and US citizens can participate—and US companies do not. Furthermore, those international platforms could potentially be made to enforce the CCP's standards for speech, setting the tone for conversations about Uyghurs and Taiwan worldwide.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by capableweb »

waffleiron wrote: post #92
capableweb wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the title at cnbc right now says "TikTok shares your data more than any other social media app — and it’s unclear where it goes, study says" for me. I guess it was edited to get shorter and within the 80 character limit that HN has for submission titles.

"TikTok shares your data more than any other social media app" fits easily in the 80 character limit. No need to change "any other social media app" to "any other app" for that reason. This feels like it's actively trying to mislead people.

Unless they wanna keep the "and it’s unclear where it goes" part of course, which seems like they wanted to. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there can be multiple reasons, and it's not that obvious of why.

In any other way, social media applications surely are the ones that extract the most data, and TikTok being on top of that list makes it to the top of the list of total applications too.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Post by seanp2k2 »

Karunamon wrote: post #56
voxl wrote: post #46

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No thanks, don't need any more authoritarian moves from presidential over reach. Privacy laws for companies making X$ in yearly revenue is much saner approach.

Countries deciding that foreigners can't use their citizen's data willy-nilly is neither authoritarian nor over-reach, and neither is restricting those foreigners from access when they don't comply. For a generally accepted instance, see the EU GDPR.

I just have a hard time accepting that the people who made every website implement a cookie warning that is equivalent to the “don’t use in bathtub” stickers all over appliances know enough about to write airtight laws that would actually solve any of this.
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