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Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Why I will never buy any Peloton product for my home... Peloton Tread+ Treadmill Safety Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXNnlCYJ4Y (viewer discretion is advised)

Just asking as I don't have a treadmill myself, how would any other brand of treadmills prevent this accident from happening? They have some fail-safes that this brand doesn't have?

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There's this internet nerd thing which always implicitly defines "fitness" as 99% weightlifting, which has always been bizarre to me. Those weights do pretty much nothing for your cardiovascular health, unless you've somehow got some crazy 40+ minute routine.

Have you ever done interval training with kettlebells? You can be left catching your breath, even though your feed never moved.

respiration rate is not the same as heart rate although they trend in the same direction. I say this because I've worn a heart rate strap during all sorts of exercise and kettlebells do not elevate heart rate like cardio does, even though they feel like they should.

That said, is intense cardio really that important for health? moderate cardio seems to give most of the longevity benefits.

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I agree with lots of the negative sentiment on Peloton, however, the name of the luxury game is to stay ahead of the pack and maintain a premium brand. Much of what they've done to date is maintain a huge catalog of real-time and recorded streaming classes and videos. I found the news about Peloton working with Google to use Stadia as a platform for gaming on Peloton devices, very interesting. So far, what we've seen…

Zwift has done well with a fitness gaming product oriented around bike races and challenges. But the graphics are cheesy. And the whole game experience is mostly just about power output in a straight line with maybe some drafting tactics; it only even supports steering in a very limited way.

it's just about the worst "game" you could imagine. Why is it simulating (poorly) outdoor cycling when it could instead invent a new form of competition a la tron or rocket league?

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Anecdotally, it appears that Zwift usage is still growing. It's more race and social oriented than Peleton, and less of a "spin class simulator", but it's only $15/mo and doesn't require as much of an up-front equipment investment. I think Peleton believed too much of their own BS and flew too close to the sun.

Growing, yes, but from a much smaller base and probably with a lower ceiling. (I'm a regular Zwift rider in the winter.) Fundamentally, Zwift is for road cyclists who are training or stuck inside, and Peloton is for spin class fans, and never the twain shall meet. There's a big gulf between the two groups that is larger than it might seem to someone just casually observing that they appear to be doing almost exactly…

as a roadie occasionally stuck inside, I have no issues hopping on a peloton

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strictly speaking as a consumer, I would rather ride an old scrappy bicycle in the great outdoors, rather than an in-door bicycle that costs 2000$ and 40$/month. I was rather surprised to see it go on as long as it did.

There’s a layer of ice on all the roads right now outside.

perfect, that'll keep the motorists at home!

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There’s a layer of ice on all the roads right now outside.

perfect, that'll keep the motorists at home!

Some people might see it that way, but most people see ice on the roads and really narrow shoulders as a literally deadly risk to biking outdoors. There might be some hardos that’ll still bike in these conditions, but for the other 95% of people who want to get some bike exercise, indoors is the way to go.

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Unfortunately there are not good alternatives. I have a fairly nice bike at home and a standing desk that I can fit it under comfortably. I told my partner we don't need a Peloton because I could find spin class videos online. Nope. There really isnt any quality content out there. I guess I could just sign up for the Peloton platform with my own bike but I was surprised there wasnt at least a handful of Youtube video…

I don't get why you need a class or video at all Spin classes are just HIIT over a 30-60 minute window. Throw on some tunes and move your ass. If you're not sweaty or tired by the time you're done you did it wrong Tada.

You don't understand why fitness classes exist? I'm not sure if you are being purposefully obtuse or not.

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These are people who need to consume and "belong" their way to fitness. These people always burn out once the gimmick wears off. Then they go searching for the next thing and the next. Throwing money hand over fist bc they cant figure out to eat better and put the proverbial foot to the concrete. I'm sure they were all convinced their apple watch was going to keep them on track. These are the people who ran out and b…

In all fairness, the wii fit board is fun. In the same way as ring fit is. I absolutely understand wanting to gamify your exercise: it's fun and always nice to see that you've put in 2500 planks since you've started. But even these are a one time payment. As you said, paying 40 dollars for HIIT is unbelievably either uninformed or lazy.

What an odd take. It's a service. Paying $95 for an oil change is lazy or uninformed. Anyone can change their own oil.

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Right, but that just makes Peloton even more attractive because now I don't even have to go to a gym, and I can take classes anytime I want in the comfort of my own home on my own schedule.

You could've done that anyways with a stationary bike and some personal motivation.

People who are really into spin classes do not lack motivation to exercise - they're in it for the classes - this is where people who equate Peloton to a stationary bike are completely missing the point. The classes are the point. The instructors (who are the absolute best spin instructors money could buy), the music, the programming/training - these are the things that users love about Peloton. If I just wanted to ride a bike then I'd do Zwift cycling, but that's a totally different activity. Spinning != cycling, and Peloton != gym equipment.

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In all fairness, the wii fit board is fun. In the same way as ring fit is. I absolutely understand wanting to gamify your exercise: it's fun and always nice to see that you've put in 2500 planks since you've started. But even these are a one time payment. As you said, paying 40 dollars for HIIT is unbelievably either uninformed or lazy.

Any able-bodied person can get fitter than most people who aren't very into fitness for (damn near) free, without even that much time investment. Trainers and peloton classes and such give people the option to rent someone else's willpower , though. (plus leverage sunk-cost sentiments and other tricks) It's probably part of why fitness levels go up and waistlines down as one's gaze travels up the SES ladder. Someone…

Yup. This is a great way of putting it. Seth Rogan once said that if Hollywood wants you to get in shape they will basically do it for you and they would send a robot to move your arms and legs for you. He was joking but if you have a personal trainer to motivate you and make working out, "fun" and a personal chef to make your meals getting into great shape if much easier than if you are dragging yourself to an anytime fitness after working and taking care of kids.
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