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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by gefhfffh »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #147
gefhfffh wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It backups your keys encrypted with a password only you know at server side (opt in) When you login, you provide that password, and Element can use that to decrypt the keys and use these to decrypt the messages stored in the cloud Alternatively, you can solely rely on syncing keys between verified devices.

That is not 'true e2ee' at all, and more of a security theater.

How is that?

Only you as a recipient can decrypt the messages, because they are sent e2ee to you.

And this stays true if you use the backup, as only you know that password.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by trenchgun »

shp0ngle wrote: post #23

This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

When Telegram eventually fails, I expect there to be a Matrix client of similar quality and will just start using it.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by totetsu »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #98
totetsu wrote: post #37

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This is why line dominates in Japan. The range of stickers is incomparable.

Oh? Wechat lets users provide their own stickers, for free or for money. I'd bet the range is competitive.

I had to get vouched for by two people who moved from mainland China to get a wechat account, then the client took up all my free space so I deleted it.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by szszrk »

twelve40 wrote: post #144
Fatnino wrote: post #106

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It's just made by a Russian but the Russian gov is mad at him and he's living abroad.

> Russian gov is mad at him citation needed

Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0].

[0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by throwaway599281 »

amelius wrote: post #146
braymundo wrote: post #137

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Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.

Not really strange, given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections, allegedly, just saying.

>given what this country has done on social media to control foreign elections

What has Russian done that

a) Directly affects the results, such as hacking any system where electronic vote is possible.

b) Any kind of propaganda or lobbying that any other country such as the USA, England or Israel don't also engage to make public opinion more sympathetic to them.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by shirman »

nickpp wrote: post #154
braymundo wrote: post #137

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Exactly. People read "Russian" and freak out without any nuance.

Nobody has any problem with Russia the country or the Russian people. It's the current Russian government and its psychopathic leader that are freaking us out.

Still, I believe a reflection of the government deeds affects just people – entrepreneurs, projects, etc.

I don't have data for that. I am just sharing my 5 cents here.

People could "freak out" when they hear "it's Russian" without doing any research from their side. I hope it's not happening often. As a Russian ciz this thought disappoints me sometimes and makes me sad (and our Gov deeds too).

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by commoner »

theshrike79 wrote: post #57
commoner wrote: post #34

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> I have heard compliments about Telegram sticker packs though, if the other apps want more users they could consider making "cute stickers" :) Many of Signal's sticker packs were ported from Telegram: https://signalstickers.com/?s=author%3ATelegram

Is "ported" another word for "stolen"?

Telegram supports importing stickers from other apps and platforms:

https://core.telegram.org/stickers#importing-stickers-from-o...

In light of that, importing stickers from Telegram to other apps is fair game. Telegram's very brief terms of service* do not forbid users from using Telegram stickers outside of Telegram.

Also, some of these stickers are recycled memes from social media and pop culture, which usually qualify for fair use when used for messaging.

* https://telegram.org/tos

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

piaste wrote: post #140
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #134

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That requires re-encoding all transmitted data with a single password and is potentially vulnerable to brute-force attacks. Encryption used in signal, etc relies on double ratchet mechanism that continuously regenerates keys as they move along. This way one compromised key will not allow to decode the rest of the messages. Also, downloading blob to client side and decoding it locally can hardly be done fast enough fo…

> That requires re-encoding all transmitted data with a single password and is potentially vulnerable to brute-force attacks. Encryption used in signal, etc relies on double ratchet mechanism that continuously regenerates keys as they move along. This way one compromised key will not allow to decode the rest of the messages. That's a different, further goalpost - we were talking about E2E encryption, weren't we? I.e.…

> we were talking about E2E encryption, weren't we?

Exactly, and what is described is not e2ee at all.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by lpcvoid »

jcelerier wrote: post #80
shp0ngle wrote: post #23

This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

> his developers can deliver good and working product really fast. (And from what I understand, it's a really small team.) People keep insisting that electron is chosen for productivity yet telegram delivers more features with more efficiency in C++/QtWidgets (for the desktop) with a smaller team than so many electron stuff

You get efficiency basically for free with C++/Qt, unlike all of the Electron trash that gets pushed out. It's such a selfish way of thinking - "I don't care if my users can use efficient software, I just care about shoehorning Javascript into everything I touch!"
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