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Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Depend on what you do. I haven’t met anyone who actually smokes in the last year in the UK apart from a guy who was vaping in the middle of a hike and we all thought he was a dickhead.

You haven't seen anyone smoking in the UK at all? Are you in the north or south east?

No one at social events at all. South East / London.

It’s actually quite pleasant these days. Less nicotine all over stuff.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Try questioning everything you [mostly unconsciously] believe. This is how do you behave in particular age/status - why? This is what happens when you die - why? Stop believing anything (except that you should generally avoid hurting other people) and have fun. Life is just a role playing game with cool gfx, massive lore and unbalanced mechanics - beat the hell of fun out of it and stop believing you know what's there after it ends. Being lost means having wrong beliefs. We don't know the true but we can give up the wrong (even the whole scientific view is wrong as a belief - it's just a practical picture, the foundation of real science is knowing no theory will stand forever) and face the world with curiosity and awe.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Lots of good advice here. I would add this: Actively cultivate a relationship with yourself.

I find daily journaling rewarding - just venting on paper or into a voice recording app. After a few days/weeks/months of this, go back and look at highs and lows, repeated themes, energizing things vs taxing things. Why are you here and what is important to you, where do you get joy and energy, what kills your soul? This is one method for getting those answers.

Another method: as you live through your week, Monday through Sunday, hour by hour, record what you do with each hour. Then, look at that picture. Just the act of observing will be a teacher.

You already likely know this all of this, and just need reminding. Best of luck and happy to talk more over email. I’m turning 50 this year and have the same list of thoughts you mention hm… maybe once every three weeks. They don’t go away, but through the work I’ve done on myself, I know how much energy to give them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Do a lot of cardio exercise, every day; at least 30 minutes. Do it for a month (every day!) and then see how you feel. Often I believe our underlying physiology is the real driver of sentiments which we attribute to conceptual things. Being intelligent, it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you can think your way out of anything. Sometimes thinking isn't the answer at all.

Just my 2c.

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LOL. Getting old is 35. ONLY $500K in savings at 35. Such a sad story. So sorry for you, as most people are lucky to have saved $50K at 35 or even 55! Money has no meaning if you are feeling lost with $500K. Seriously though, my advice would be stop comparing yourself to others. Older or younger, married or single, successful or not, fit or fat. Know thyself. Go on a meditation retreat. You have nothing to lose and n…

I don’t think you need to underplay OP issues. While he may be better off financially than lots of people, feeling lost with little passion for life is still not a good situation, and he deserves to feel the way he does.

I thought the parent made an excellent point, and encouraged OP to try new things without hesitation because there wasn't much he was going to lose, and because he was in that condition because he wasn't trying out new things (meaning there no serious psychological issues with him). I would be glad to get his advice.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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You haven't seen anyone smoking in the UK at all? Are you in the north or south east?

No one at social events at all. South East / London. It’s actually quite pleasant these days. Less nicotine all over stuff.

That's totally fair, but it looks like you commented to say you don't like smoking, and not to weigh in on the social aspects of it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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I am 46 and I feel the same. I fill in all the advice tick boxes. Excellent physical health. I work out frequently and have no ailments other than slightly autistic personality. Great job and well compensated for it. Great economy, own my own place. Have adult child that has moved out and is doing well. On paper, I am doing extremely well. Inside, I wake up every morning really sorry I am still alive. This pointless…

Not that I dont appreciate the nice comments. I have tried therapy. Several times. When they turned virtual the little humane contact they provided evaporated and I stopped paying for that crap. And dont get me started on trying to talk to a therapist that wears a face mask the entire time.

I am not actively trying to end my life. Just trying to correct the naive suggestions that going to a gym or having a child will make you happy or fullfilled.

Loneliness sites bone deep. The older you get, the harder making meaningful human connections get. And add the past the past 2 years of “keeping us safe and healthy” what used to be my natural coping mechanisms were outright banned.

I tread on. Trust me, from the outside you would not think I was this lonely. I have all the things and the hobbies and the travels. Even athletic enough to sport visible abs, which is not all common at 46 in these parts of the hemisphere.

If I am lucky maybe Ill get shot in a failed robbery or something.

I certainly do not have the courage to physically harm myself.

I appreciate the concern though.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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You're still a decade or more away from your career peak, and your physical potential is not far past its peak and declining pretty slowly for now. Feeling "old" at your age is more a matter of experience than biological fact. There are a lot of things that just aren't as exciting now because they relied heavily on novelty or just on the wonder that you could do them at all.

It's true that you've changed in a way that ruins some of the fun you used to have. None of it is new to you. You can't get hyped up for it the same way, because the sense of infinite possibility isn't there any more. Being able to do exactly what you want is no longer new and thrilling, either. And you're no longer as thrilled by inclusion and universality, reveling in those generic activities that "everybody" likes. You might not realize it yet, but you've started to choose experiences for your own sake rather than because everybody else does them.

You're hung up on this being a bad thing, but it's not really bad. I remember how excited I was as a college freshman to hike through the snow for twenty minutes to go to a house party, get wasted on beer that tasted terrible to me, and try to talk to girls that I had nothing in common with. I felt like the world was opening up to me. A year or two later, I still did it, but it wasn't an ecstatic experience anymore, because by then I knew that there was beer that actually tasted good and that the girls I really wanted to talk to were not at those parties. I could no longer feel that sense of infinite possibility. Today, I still understand why I was excited then, but I wouldn't be excited to do it now, even if I could magically pilot my younger body for a while, like Tom Hanks in Big. I remember it as a high point in my life, but what made it a high point was how excited and optimistic I felt, which only made sense in the context of my inexperience and my wonder at flexing a developing sense of autonomy.

Think of inexperience and the transition into adulthood as ingredients that made those young adult experiences delicious but which are no longer available to cook with. Doing the same things you used to enjoy in your twenties, without the inexperience and the excitement of discovering your adult autonomy, is like eating french fries without salt, or salad without dressing, a joyless chore. Don't try to force it.

Would you order curry at a restaurant that only had tomatoes, basil, oregano, and olive oil in the kitchen? If you went to a bakery for chocolate-chip cookies, and they said sorry, we're all out of chocolate and sugar, would you insist on them baking a batch for you with what they had? Don't get hung up on the stuff you used to enjoy.

You have new ingredients to work with, ingredients that are particular to you and your experience. They aren't so universal that "everybody" your age will enjoy the same things, but not so unique that you'll be alone. You need to start to figure out the flavor profile for this time in your life. If you don't know where to start, start anywhere. Look around, try whatever looks good, and if nothing looks good yet, try things at random while you're looking. It won't all taste good. That's life.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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I don't see how this is an adequate counterexample to OP's experience. The novel things you mention have happened to you take are rarer occurrences than a 3 year old experiencing basic physics. Despite the pleas in responses to continue to explore and experience new things, it seems to me that the experience of being surprised at new things becomes rarer as one ages, with exploration yielding diminishing returns with…

I think maybe it’s easier to get stuck in a rut, go on autopilot, rely on what you know and then end up feeling like there’s no novelty in the world any more as you get older and comfortable. Maybe you can fall so deeply into it that you can’t even tell you’re in a rut any more and just think that that’s how the world is, which is a puzzling perspective to those outside of the rut because the complexity and novelty o…

For me I have found that traveling helps break that "tunnel vision" which I occasionally find myself stuck in. And it's very hard to realize you're stuck in it until you break out of it. Traveling helps me realize that there's an entire world out there where people are not just living, but thriving. That always helps stir up my curiosity to dig deeper into things.
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