I hate the idea of having to go to school normally again
An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
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Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#32I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
Even through the worst of the pandemic, children going to school has always been my primary concern. I'm totally fine with having to work from home for a few more years. Restaurants and big events closed sucks, but I can live with that. I personally really miss church, but I can totally see how a big crowd indoors singing is one of the most high-risk activities you can do. I'll survive. But children need school. They…
>And voluntarily unvaccinated people should not fill ICU beds that other people need.
Wow. I'm speechless.
Blacks (along with some other minorities) are the group with the lowest vaccination rate, for rather obvious reasons. If you aren't familiar, look up the Tuskegee experiment.
You are proposing to flat out deny life-saving medical care, in a critical illness situation, to those very vulnerable groups that have completely justified distrust of a government that abused them for hundreds of years.
>there are still unvaccinated people occupying ICU beds, leading to non-Covid related treatment getting postponed, and sometimes leading to deaths.
Did you have a flu shot every year? Are all other vaccines you had in childhood boosted on schedule? Looking forward to you send us proof.
Also please prove you wash hands everytime you go to the washroom. Until then, I expect you aren't going to seek treatment for any infectious diseases, after all we don't even have proof you wash hands, and how can we waste precious medical resources on such irresponsible citizens who voluntarily refuse the best medical intervention of all time, basic hygiene? /s
The real biggest problem is people that do not understand why informed consent exists in the first place.
Lack of political will to expand the ICU capacity does not override informed consent. Even completely broke countries like El Salvador have been able to roll out field hospitals, it can be done.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#33I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
I’m unaware of any data showing that children require vaccines to avoid hospitalization and death in large numbers. Can you share some?
UK's JCVI declined to recommend vaccines to children on risk/benefit basis. That was prior to Omicron, probably even less useful now.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citation needed on transmission reduction
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v... It's less true for Omicron, but the study there looked at transmission in Danish households. Against Delta, vaccinated individuals were much less likely to get infected. Against Omicron, boosted individuals are less likely to get infected, and vaccinated are similar to unvaccinated.
Not commenting on the particular issue/article, but can we dispense with blind faith in pre-prints as gospel and final instance of truth?
"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."
Consider all pre-prints complete bunk until proven otherwise. Anyone can publish whatever they want to support whatever conclusion they want in a pre-print.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#35I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
The teachers’ unions have their own interests to look out for…
Yeah their interests of keeping the teachers and their families and the children safe.
Anti union rhetoric when the workers are looking out for their own and their community's safety is pretty rich.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even through the worst of the pandemic, children going to school has always been my primary concern. I'm totally fine with having to work from home for a few more years. Restaurants and big events closed sucks, but I can live with that. I personally really miss church, but I can totally see how a big crowd indoors singing is one of the most high-risk activities you can do. I'll survive. But children need school. They…
>And voluntarily unvaccinated people should not fill ICU beds that other people need. Wow. I'm speechless. Blacks (along with some other minorities) are the group with the lowest vaccination rate, for rather obvious reasons. If you aren't familiar, look up the Tuskegee experiment. You are proposing to flat out deny life-saving medical care, in a critical illness situation, to those very vulnerable groups that have co…
This is also ignoring the fact that hospital staffing and beds have been on the decline for the past few decades. We were gonna run out of capacity at some point. COVID just made that come sooner.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#37I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
> I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. Off the top of my head... - Kids can spread it in their community - Adults and elderly people work at schools - Not all kids are fully vaccinated - Kids are adaptable, it's adults who are throwing temper tantrums about having to wear a mask - Most of the mental health effects mentioned in the article are consequences of school closures, not caused by w…
You clearly have no kids, nor have you never dealt with any for any length of time.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. Off the top of my head... - Kids can spread it in their community - Adults and elderly people work at schools - Not all kids are fully vaccinated - Kids are adaptable, it's adults who are throwing temper tantrums about having to wear a mask - Most of the mental health effects mentioned in the article are consequences of school closures, not caused by w…
Kids aren't tabula rasa. I don't know why you'd think you can just brainwash them to do what you want.
It's just people that don't have kids tell everyone how to deal with kids.
I guess they never tried putting masks on cats and dogs either.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
The teachers’ unions have their own interests to look out for…
Yeah their interests of keeping the teachers and their families and the children safe. Anti union rhetoric when the workers are looking out for their own and their community's safety is pretty rich.
I guess we have different interpretations of what happened in Chicago and elsewhere. In our school district the teachers’ actions diverged from a group focused on safety, regardless of one’s interpretation of the covid threat level. I used to be 100% behind the teachers when they were fighting for better pay. I’m sorry to say that they have lost my support. I should probably also say that I’m not generally anti-union. Workers have lost a lot of leverage since the 70’s.