I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
The teachers’ unions have their own interests to look out for…
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but to the second point, the vaccines also don't materially reduce transmission
They somewhat reduce it. Perhaps by 50%, against currently dominant variant (which is itself of course subject to change.) Everything that helps to reduce prevalence helps kids stay in the classroom. Here in the UK there's a huge subpandemic among 5-11 year old schoolchildren, a group which are not vaccinated. I have a child of this age, off twice with covid in the last few months. I wonder if it'd be more effective…
The data released by public health here in Ontario suggests that 2-doses has no impact at all on transmission, while boosters - which 5-11's aren't eligible for - reduce transmission against Omicron by about 40% for about 6-8 weeks.
While vaccines should be available to any 5-11 year old child whose parents want them, the idea that they help in keeping schools open doesn't seem at all logical.
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Should we be worried that the top comments on so many stories here are dark mutterings about how the forces that secretly control our society are causing the democratically elected governments to intentionally kill the sheeple for somewhat vague and unexplored reasons? It's all got a bit apocalyptic and dark recently. Is this what we believe as a community? If not, why is it so often at the top? Do most people just n…
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Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but to the second point, the vaccines also don't materially reduce transmission
They somewhat reduce it. Perhaps by 50%, against currently dominant variant (which is itself of course subject to change.) Everything that helps to reduce prevalence helps kids stay in the classroom. Here in the UK there's a huge subpandemic among 5-11 year old schoolchildren, a group which are not vaccinated. I have a child of this age, off twice with covid in the last few months. I wonder if it'd be more effective…
Citation needed on transmission reduction
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#25"Children aren't at risk, so let them go back to school without restrictions"
"But they still can spread the virus to vulnerable people. How will this not result in more deaths of vulnerable people?"
"Those people can wear a mask."
So, fuck the health and safety of adults [and vulnerable children], our children feeling happy is more important.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
They somewhat reduce it. Perhaps by 50%, against currently dominant variant (which is itself of course subject to change.) Everything that helps to reduce prevalence helps kids stay in the classroom. Here in the UK there's a huge subpandemic among 5-11 year old schoolchildren, a group which are not vaccinated. I have a child of this age, off twice with covid in the last few months. I wonder if it'd be more effective…
Citation needed on transmission reduction
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v...
It's less true for Omicron, but the study there looked at transmission in Danish households. Against Delta, vaccinated individuals were much less likely to get infected. Against Omicron, boosted individuals are less likely to get infected, and vaccinated are similar to unvaccinated.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citation needed on transmission reduction
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v... It's less true for Omicron, but the study there looked at transmission in Danish households. Against Delta, vaccinated individuals were much less likely to get infected. Against Omicron, boosted individuals are less likely to get infected, and vaccinated are similar to unvaccinated.
Any statistics for children who are prior infected and unvaccinated?
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#28My kids never stopped being normal. I never saw a need for them to wear a mask.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#29I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. All school aged children can be vaccinated and the vaccine is effective at decreasing hospitalization and death.
> I don’t know how anyone can support restrictions at this point. Off the top of my head... - Kids can spread it in their community - Adults and elderly people work at schools - Not all kids are fully vaccinated - Kids are adaptable, it's adults who are throwing temper tantrums about having to wear a mask - Most of the mental health effects mentioned in the article are consequences of school closures, not caused by w…
Kids aren't tabula rasa. I don't know why you'd think you can just brainwash them to do what you want.
Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children
#30Until the teachers union stops rentseeking, there will be no return to normalcy.
With the teachers I've seen on the internet, homeschooling is looking more and more attractive.