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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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There are thresholds at which it becomes a felony, so that might be an answer to your question. Otherwise we have to ask it the other way as well -- should the police send out a detective if your 99 cent fidget spinner goes missing?

> There are thresholds at which it becomes a felony, so that might be an answer to your question. Are you saying that police shouldn't bother investigating crimes that aren't felonies? Why even have misdemeanors at all then?

Most people who get in trouble for misdemeanors are observed by a police officer directly (drunk driving, speeding, vandalism etc). They usually aren't "investigated"..

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I've got a tag on my bike and it's pretty dumb that it starts beeping at the thief if it ever gets stolen. Why do we have to gimp everything to make it difficult to use them to break the law? Isn't enforcement of laws how we're supposed to make people not break the law?

>Isn't enforcement of laws how we're supposed to make people not break the law?

It is the method of last resort, really. Ideally, people have enough success in their life that they do not have to resort to crime. If that fails we have some other protections: we lock our doors, etc. Lastly, if people still commit crime we try to prosecute them

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I haven't experienced the same issues you describe in terms of random beeping or the like. But I do think one of the most curious and irritating missing pieces from AirTags is no sort of tie-in with Family Sharing or some sort of contacts whitelist. I saw one thing saying that was about privacy but that makes zero sense because Apple doesn't do the same thing elsewhere in "Find My" for people or devices. While it's c…

Apple still has some weird atomization issues for a company which is going all-in on family stuff. This is the company which ran out a credit card and payments infrastructure with serious fanfare— and, incredibly, no provisions for married people having joint accounts. None, they added it later when dhh and Steve Wozniak made a stink about it.

Using a shared iPad with a family is a bad experience with all kinds of Apple account issues. Other apps Netflix/Amazon/etc. thankfully provide quick user switching which makes it tolerable.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> Should they be doing that for free? Serious question. If they don't provide the network: what value do the tags, you bought with money, provide?

If you buy from Apple they do provide the network. If you buy from 3rd party and 3rd party doesn’t pay Apple, why should Apple provide the network?

I wasn't saying they should; and I'm not taking a side on anything. I don't have enough information to properly answer you.

Are there third party tracking device manufacturers with free access to these systems?

Are you talking about stolen or bootleg goods?

The latter is a much more complicated topic, for sure.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> ATX has the security measures of a third-world country That's a pretty dramatic way to describe police not wanting to spend resources to get your $200 headphones back..

Capturing and punishing thieves has a deterring effect on other thieves. Police spending resources to get "your $200 headphones back" saves more than just the $200 headphones, since usually thieves are repeat offenders and it discourages would-be thieves from becoming thieves. If you think about it, if a police officer makes $100/h you could conceivably make the case that catching a single thief could potentially sav…

Having a working law enforcement system that people can trust also means people can rely on the law to be enforced to protect them, instead of taking the law into their own hands.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Sounds like you're thinking about how the first pill costs $7 million to make, but pills 2-inf only cost $0.02. Sure, it doesn't cost anything to wiggle some electrons, but it took effort to build out the infrastructure to do something when those electrons move. It takes effort to maintain it as well. I'm able to see both sides. We all like free things, but free things cost some body some thing some where. If the ven…

Ultimately, I agree with you. My overall point though is that opening the Find My network to other vendors isn't the same as opening the protocol. What Apple does in B2B sales is none of my concern.

I was really just playing devil's advocate. It just seems like everyone expects things to be given away as charity. Apple is not a 501(c), so if they come up with something, it's because they think there's a revenue stream in it.

The entire thing works so well precisely because there are so many Apple devices in the wild, and Apple is looking to capitalize on that.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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If you buy from Apple they do provide the network. If you buy from 3rd party and 3rd party doesn’t pay Apple, why should Apple provide the network?

I wasn't saying they should; and I'm not taking a side on anything. I don't have enough information to properly answer you. Are there third party tracking device manufacturers with free access to these systems? Are you talking about stolen or bootleg goods? The latter is a much more complicated topic, for sure.

The question as asked seems pretty clear to me. If Company A builds a product/service, why should Company B be expected to utilize Company A's work without compensation?

What more information do you need?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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That and parents who only kinda want to track their kids bags ... mostly ... I guess.

Right about now I wish I had pasted one to my son's iPad. Of course, I wish the iPad just had that function built in so it wouldn't need a booger attached to the outside.

My daughters’ iPads both have LTE and Location Sharing enabled to our family profile set up through my iCloud account.

My eldest is 13, and we don’t really see a reason for her to have a cellphone yet; it’s coming fairly soon, sure, but for now the 11” iPad Pro that I passed down to her is a much more functional device for her and carries less drama risk as she’s excluded from her peers’ SMS group chat where it seems like the majority of that sort of thing emanates.

When she does have a need for a cellphone, it’ll likely be one of the relatively inexpensive iPhone SEs or an older used iPhone that’s mostly useful for calls and texts.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Yeah, and notice how a good chunk of the people asking to defund the police are from already very safe neighborhoods or very young and never had to live through lots of crime. I'm all for police reforms (eg; body-cam requirements, more training) but the whole defund the police movement is downright dangerous.

You do realize "defund the police" means diverting funds that would usually be spent on tons of military grade gear they don't need, and using those funds on community improvement programs, right?
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