Live data from Hacker News

Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

gizmodo.com

191–200 of 404 posts

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#191
post #124
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Except police funding is at an all time high[1] If anything, I would blame the common sighting of said officers sitting in their cars playing Pokemon [1] https://www.austinmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/FIX...

Everyone keeps citing this year's budget, which was imposed on Austin by the state government after the police budget was cut by 1/3rd in 2020.

Austin DID defund the police, but was forced to refund the police.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ATX has the security measures of a third-world country That's a pretty dramatic way to describe police not wanting to spend resources to get your $200 headphones back..

What's the threshold over which you believe crime is no longer okay? AirPods Max? Only $549. A MacBook? Only $2000. A car? Only $20000. Does someone have to burn my house down for it to be worthwhile for the police?

There are thresholds at which it becomes a felony, so that might be an answer to your question. Otherwise we have to ask it the other way as well -- should the police send out a detective if your 99 cent fidget spinner goes missing?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#193

I guess I don't get it. For the price of an AirTag, you can buy a more capable tracker with GPS and mobile data. And it won't be notifying the trackee that it's there. The AirTag seems like a downgrade.

Can you name some alternatives with a decent network? If the item has its own mobile network, i'm expecting an extra $20/mo for a phone plan (at which point, comparing to a fixed cost of an AirTag isnt valid.) If it doesnt have a mobile network and relies on the mesh, then, is there any mesh available? Apple's mesh is global and pervasive. And if it provides neither mobile support nor mesh, it isnt useful for anythin…

> If the item has its own mobile network, i'm expecting an extra $20/mo for a phone plan (at which point, comparing to a fixed cost of an AirTag isn't valid.)

Some phone plans will give you additional data only sim card and only charge you the cost of the bandwidth (Google Fi does this). You can also get data only plans that are intended to used with Vending Machines and IoT devices (I guess a tracking device on the Internet is a IoT device).

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#194
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name some alternatives with a decent network? If the item has its own mobile network, i'm expecting an extra $20/mo for a phone plan (at which point, comparing to a fixed cost of an AirTag isnt valid.) If it doesnt have a mobile network and relies on the mesh, then, is there any mesh available? Apple's mesh is global and pervasive. And if it provides neither mobile support nor mesh, it isnt useful for anythin…

>i'm expecting an extra $20/mo for a phone plan I'm sure you can get prepaid/IOT plans for less, eg. https://www.hologram.io/pricing/flexible-data

Thought this would be good for a solar IoT camera then realized it would be $400/per gig. Yikes, though it's good for extremely low bandwidth devices.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#195
post #154

Anecdotal regional issue: I had an AirTag on my AirPod Pro's case that was stolen. I immediately notified Austin's police (APD) as I could see where it was going. Unfortunately, due to understaffing of 100-200 police officers and detectives, most calls unrelated to imminent threats of injury or death aren't being handle for days or ever. So, it's open-season on packages and property because APD can't or won't do its…

The unfortunate truth is that police have better things to spend their time on. Heck, I had a nighttime home invasion/$4k+ of goods stolen in Boston 9 months ago and as far as I can tell the police couldn’t even be bothered to get their hands on the security camera footage from a neighboring convenience store after I told them there were cameras outside.

That's definitely over the line. Theft of a laptop or bicycle is one thing, but home invasion is a violent crime, and should justify a far more significant amount of attention.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#196
post #168

Or you can load your own firmware to any other embedded device with Bluetooth and also make it totally undetectable from iPhones by changing keys frequently and making it appear like multiple different AirTags. https://github.com/seemoo-lab/openhaystack/

Previously Discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26342504

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ATX has the security measures of a third-world country That's a pretty dramatic way to describe police not wanting to spend resources to get your $200 headphones back..

What's the threshold over which you believe crime is no longer okay? AirPods Max? Only $549. A MacBook? Only $2000. A car? Only $20000. Does someone have to burn my house down for it to be worthwhile for the police?

Believe it or not, these thresholds have effectively existed in the US forever. It's why we have small claims courts, misdemeanors vs felonies, traffic violations, etc.

> What's the threshold over which you believe crime is no longer okay?

You completely missed the parent's point. It's not that they don't think crime should be "no longer be okay", it was addressing the the grandparent's point of "we're living in a third world country because my $200 AirPods got stolen" is simply out of touch with reality.

> Does someone have to burn my house down for it to be worthwhile for the police?

In third world countries this is pretty much how it works. As an American, going to Brazil or South Africa (for example), you're basically told "don't wear/carry anything of value". It's not that there is a chance that you'll get mugged, it's that it's likely it'll happen. I live in Austin and carry my AirPods on me all of the time. The likelihood that I experience what the OP experienced is so unlikely that it rarely crosses my mind. The grandparent's comment is hyperbolic drivel.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#198
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Yeah, and notice how a good chunk of the people asking to defund the police are from already very safe neighborhoods or very young and never had to live through lots of crime. I'm all for police reforms (eg; body-cam requirements, more training) but the whole defund the police movement is downright dangerous.

I agree, "defunding" (at least when it actually means more than reform) is more of an emotional outburst than a solution to anything. People have a right to be emotional over what policing has become, but kicking and screaming alone is counterproductive. If we really want to reform the police we're going to have to be prepared to invest more money into it than ever since we'll need massive amounts of training, data collection, firings following by new hires, and oversight. None of that is going to be cheap.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...but didn't open the protocol to third parties. In other words, it's as "open" as the lightning connector is: "pay us $x for every product you ship, and we won't sue you for using it" Apple's marketing must train in the Matrix for how good they are at dodging bullets...

at the same time, you are using the Apple network/infrastructure of iDevices that track that item for you. Every Apple device that passes your lost product helps find your product. Should they be doing that for free? Serious question.

> Should they be doing that for free? Serious question.

If they don't provide the network: what value do the tags, you bought with money, provide?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#200
post #170
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every city in the US. Between 'are we the baddies' and relatively meh pay most municipalities are short of officers. I'd link an article, but googling 'police shortage' would seem to do the trick.

Law Enforcement definitely do not have "meh" pay in "most municipalities".

And let me guess, all teachers do is hand out worksheets for 6 hours a day and why do you always see 3 constructions workers standing around a hole? But you- you cleared 1.5 story points today tying two Javascript libraries together, that's where the real value is.
Post reply on HN