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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Rather than ban the device, punish the behavior. Apple has made it quite easy for anyone with an Apple device to notice if they are being tracked. Why punish someone tracking their scooter as if they were tracking some "daughter"? GPS tracking of cars is legal in many place. Those devices don't report their existence to the owner. Perhaps we should start there?

That didn't seem to work well for guns in the US. Besides, this tech is opening a tracking pandora box with social and political consequences that we can't predict. I'm for banning without a licence on this one.

What stoppedyou from buying a GPS tracker before?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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It wouldn't be hard to make a silent container for an airtag that'd let the audible signal reach the mic but not the alarm. Personally I think they'll eventually have to link every Airtag to a real identity so anyone detecting one knows who it really belongs to.

> have to link every Airtag to a real identity Isn't it already linked to your Apple account? Take the AirTag to the cops, they ask Apple who it belongs to.

I had a buddy try that just last week after he was alerted to one under his car. They laughed at him and did nothing but write a report.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Anecdotal regional issue: I had an AirTag on my AirPod Pro's case that was stolen. I immediately notified Austin's police (APD) as I could see where it was going. Unfortunately, due to understaffing of 100-200 police officers and detectives, most calls unrelated to imminent threats of injury or death aren't being handle for days or ever. So, it's open-season on packages and property because APD can't or won't do its…

That’s wild. The first reason we even have a government is for police and judges.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Apple is free to charge whatever they want for the use of their servers and infrastructure, and while it's not a good look, they're also welcome to charge again for the use of their intellectual property. However, that's not a reason that third-parties shouldn't be able to access that data. If I've got a Google Pixel in my pocket, the cost is marginal for me to send an API request to Apple's servers and use Find My e…

Sounds like you're thinking about how the first pill costs $7 million to make, but pills 2-inf only cost $0.02. Sure, it doesn't cost anything to wiggle some electrons, but it took effort to build out the infrastructure to do something when those electrons move. It takes effort to maintain it as well. I'm able to see both sides. We all like free things, but free things cost some body some thing some where. If the ven…

Ultimately, I agree with you. My overall point though is that opening the Find My network to other vendors isn't the same as opening the protocol. What Apple does in B2B sales is none of my concern.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> ATX has the security measures of a third-world country That's a pretty dramatic way to describe police not wanting to spend resources to get your $200 headphones back..

What's the threshold over which you believe crime is no longer okay? AirPods Max? Only $549. A MacBook? Only $2000. A car? Only $20000. Does someone have to burn my house down for it to be worthwhile for the police?

I never said it was okay to steal anything. It's just not obviously a good use of taxpayer resources to hunt down something with such a low value. I don't claim to know where that threshold is, but it's probably above $200.

Conversely, let's say I accuse an Uber driver of stealing a $1 bill I left in his car, is that a good use of police time? Where do you draw the line?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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In North America. Not every major city in the whole developed world.

At least in most major city in Germany its the same. MY GF filed a public assault (very minor) case like a year ago and there is still no success yet all persons identities are known. Police is horrible understaffed.

Refund the police!

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Apple's Airtag's are a solution looking for a problem. You can't use them to "track lost items" while alerting thieves to their presence. Conversely you can't allow thieves to scan for their presence when they steal something. Their intended use case is pretty useless "find your stuff you've lost" I think, as it covers a small market segment compared to "LoJack, but cheap and fancy like Apple".

The solution requires a lot more governance, and puts Apple in charge of a "court system" with a lot of support cases.

* Every Airtag must have a registered owner. People are limited to the number of tags they're allowed to purchase and use.

* If an Airtag is lost by its owner, they can request it be located. If the Airtag is a significant distance from the owner, Apple must intervene.

* Apple must ask the user if they suspect the article is stolen. If Yes, the user can provide a police report and will be provided the location.

* If they suspect they misplaced the item, but not stolen, things get complicated.

* If the location is mobile since the owner departed the tag, and is tailing other Android/Apple iPhones, Apple will probably need to tell the owner too bad so sad, get a police report first.

* If its location is static since it departed contact with the owner's phone, Apple makes a judgement call as to if they believe it's a stalking situation. If the tag is tailing another Android/iPhone user, Apple should allow that person to have a setting on their phone to passively allow this case, allowing users to consent to being tracked.

There are other obvious edge cases, but I think this at least a start to how this useful technology could avoid stalking but provide for a wider variety of use cases.

And of course this breaks the e2e promise that Apple made, which _prevents_ them from getting NSLs when the government wants to track somebody... so, I don't see a good way out of this.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> ATX has the security measures of a third-world country That's a pretty dramatic way to describe police not wanting to spend resources to get your $200 headphones back..

It is spending resources to catch a criminal. Very unlikely this loser is just stealing once and going back to being a decent citizen.

It depends, if he just found some AirPods on the ground and decided to keep them, I actually think it's very likely.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I've got a tag on my bike and it's pretty dumb that it starts beeping at the thief if it ever gets stolen. Why do we have to gimp everything to make it difficult to use them to break the law? Isn't enforcement of laws how we're supposed to make people not break the law?

The problem is that without the beep, these devices are no different than your standard GPS tracker that you could use to track someone without their consent. So it beeps so indemnify Apple from that use case.

And for good reason. These devices are already getting popular with abusive spouses. It's worth planning for the worst case scenarios for these things, because they are real.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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at the same time, you are using the Apple network/infrastructure of iDevices that track that item for you. Every Apple device that passes your lost product helps find your product. Should they be doing that for free? Serious question.

> Should they be doing that for free? Serious question. If they don't provide the network: what value do the tags, you bought with money, provide?

If you buy from Apple they do provide the network.

If you buy from 3rd party and 3rd party doesn’t pay Apple, why should Apple provide the network?

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