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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by pessimizer »

hughrr wrote: post #88
pessimizer wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. This stuff can go on indefinitely until the big money pulls out, and the big money doesn't pull out until something happens to make the investment embarrassing to mention to your peers. It took an expose from the WSJ (which probably wouldn't have worked from any other paper) to do it for Theranos, it simply took a memorable, repeatable joke to do the same type of thing for Bill Cosby. I honestly don't thi…

I think it is 100% fraudulent to charge for the FSD option that isn’t enabled at delivery of the vehicle. Edit: to qualify this my father paid over £5000 for it three years ago.

I made sure to qualify it with "at that level." Minor fraud is minor.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by mrtranscendence »

nexuist wrote: post #26
jjnoakes wrote: post #11

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Who is just driving into cars at stop signs because they stop for an extra two seconds?

Ask my dad or the variety of people in your life that have had it happen to them. I guarantee you know people this has happened to. Have you never heard of getting rear ended?

> I guarantee you know people this has happened to.

I'm unaware of anyone I know around here ever getting rear-ended because someone stopped at a stop sign. Granted, the culture here is to actually stop at each stop sign, so, you know, it's expected that people will actually stop and not just assumed that they're going to roll through.

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Post by npace12 »

jacquesm wrote: post #92
npace12 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drive a tesla with FSD in an urban area and based on what I've seen it do, I am 1000x more scared of some rich boy driving his new lambo around hitting a pedestrian than my Tesla while on FSD even with noone in it (if that were possible)

Yes, but how does it compare to a normal responsible driver? Because that is the use case here, not the idiot with an exotic they can't handle.

It doesn't compare. It cannot drive by itself yet, it disengages in many normal-to-a-human situations with no ability to resume by itself.

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Post by hughrr »

tiborsaas wrote: post #86
hughrr wrote: post #19

I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.

Which law of nature self driving AI contradicts?

Probably the one that attempting to process an unconstrained system in a constrained model, regardless of the method, always results in unhandled edge cases. Apply tons of metal and fragile entities made of meat to the problem and someone’s going to get hurt.

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Post by natch »

wefarrell wrote: post #77
hughrr wrote: post #19

I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.

Cold fusion is a hoax. Did you mean regular fusion? Both Cruise and Waymo are legally operating cars without drivers that are available to the public today.

Whoosh (first part). I think that was their point.

In one sense the cars are not available to the public.

They are available as services of course, so you’re right in that sense.

But we do not know what is going on in the background (such as a team of “safety drivers” monitoring every inch of the drive with the ability to do who knows what at any time).

As far as I can tell, Cruise has an appearance of autonomy to reap the benefits of the PR around that. With the safety drivers (by another name perhaps, to hide their role) not physically present in the car, but connected over a network and operating behind the curtain. All of hacker news has fallen for this hook, line, and sinker.

Waymo is another story. With a restricted sandbox, it’s essentially a shuttle, not a car.

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Post by ollien »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #52
antattack wrote: post #35

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again. Obviously the system is not ready for such narrow streets with no line markings and bad visibility. Just don't engage it in such situations. I sure hope that the future iterations of FSD beta will assess the environment and ask the driver to take over sooner.

Don't other manufacturers limit their level 2 systems to mapped and known-good highways? And, for example, my Ford will turn off blue cruise and lanekeeping if it detects it can not handle the environment.

My Subaru will not enable lane-keep below highway speeds. Adaptive cruise control can be done at any speed (greater than zero... it turns itself off if traffic is stopped), though.

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Post by woodgrainz »

garbageT wrote: post #73

Disclaimer about this guy Ogan, if you track his online accounts it’s very anti-Tesla auto-pilot/self-driving. Rightfully so in some situations. Also he is a investor in a Chinese competitor to Tesla (EV and self-driving abilities). Take his words with a grain of salt.

Well, it seems like he has a reason to be highly skeptical of Tesla auto-pilot, based on how awful and dangerous the technology appears to be. Not to mention Musk's repeated broken promises about the timeline and functionality.

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Post by CultMember001 »

jondwillis wrote: post #66
simion314 wrote: post #59

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Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

As one of the “rich Tesla fanboys” you describe, no, probably it should not be legal. That being said, it has made me re-realize that humans are really terrible drivers as well, myself included, just less terrible on average, currently.

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Post by simion314 »

yakz wrote: post #82
simion314 wrote: post #59

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Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Why shouldn't it? Anyone can buy 500, 700, 1100hp, etc. RWD production cars and YouTube is covered in videos of people using them to cause destruction of property and injuries because they don't know what the car is going to do. These muscle cars, supercars, and hypercars require control inputs that are not necessarily intuitive and could be very surprising. At least Tesla is forcing people to go through a safety tes…

You can't drive illegal for public road cars, so my point is why should a car that can randomly drive you into a child should be legal for public roads?

Let's assume Elon and Tesla are perfect, you still need the law for less perfect CEOs and companies right? This less perfect ones might do bad things.

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Post by npace12 »

pessimizer wrote: post #89
npace12 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drive a tesla with FSD in an urban area and based on what I've seen it do, I am 1000x more scared of some rich boy driving his new lambo around hitting a pedestrian than my Tesla while on FSD even with noone in it (if that were possible)

You're right, we probably shouldn't make reckless driving legal either.

That's technically not the correct analogue to what I said
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