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468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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The problem Europe has isn't that they lack money, the problem is that all the things US tech companies do to get ahead are illegal in Europe. Out of FAANG, European regulators are decidedly against the F/G and probably have reservations about at least one of the As. I wouldn't feel off guard if it turns out Netflix were impractical in the EU due to challenges both regulatory and linguistic.

This is such an absurd view. If they did illegal things they would not be able to operate in EU. While some expectations of what is considered acceptable or not have changed in Europe in meanwhile, it doesn't mean they were illegal in the first place. The second point you make is a true problem, the market is fragmented by too many regulations so the cost of establishing a company to the full EU is much greater than…

> If they did illegal things they would not be able to operate in EU

The arm of the law might not catch everything, and when it does work, sometimes it works slowly.

Companies like Uber and AirBnb got ahead by skirting the law, and had to change their products in some European countries (like Spain) because lawmakers eventually saw what they were doing. AirBnb are now required to ask for tax ID, and Uber had add artificial delays in order to fit within the law that existed. But when they initially launched, they didn't do these things, it was only after pressure that they changed.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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>- healthcare is cheap and universally available, no need to stuff away money in HSAs to account for a sudden 100k$ bill from a broken leg or a million dollar bill from cancer Hmm I wonder where this mythical cheap healthcare is...If you are not really sick (and most young people are not) you typically pay for things anyway (dental care) >- public education for your children is free, you don't need to pay for private…

Curious on why are you not in the US then? > you typically pay for things anyway (dental care) Ah yes, dental care. The thing that's literelly not included in healthcare in most places. > I would rather commute from a suburb and have a house with a garden. Literally nothing prevents you from doing that in Europe. Houses might be smaller depending on the country, but this exists.

>Literally nothing prevents you from doing that in Europe.

Except, you know, money. In DE/AT houses are insanely expresive relative to net pay.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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The problem Europe has isn't that they lack money, the problem is that all the things US tech companies do to get ahead are illegal in Europe. Out of FAANG, European regulators are decidedly against the F/G and probably have reservations about at least one of the As. I wouldn't feel off guard if it turns out Netflix were impractical in the EU due to challenges both regulatory and linguistic.

There have been quite a few social networks in Europe, some of which were more or less direct copies of Facebook at the time. Their decline started around the time Facebook became popular in there. There have been european streaming services years before Netflix was available there and there still are some, mostly owned by TV corporations. I think a lot of european startups focused to much on their starting country, probably lacking the funding to expand beyond their starting country. Their decline then is usually linked to an american competitor entering the european market, having outgrown their local market and having better funding they tend to provide a more rounded service. The only counterexample I can think of is Spotify as they seem to have never really focused on just one country.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

>I moved to Europe from Northern California Europe is not a single country but a collection of vastly different countries with different opportunities and issues. May I ask which country that is? >almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobseeker's allowance That's not universally true. In some EU countries jobseeker's allowance, as the name suggests, is paid to you as long as you prove you're looking…

> In some EU countries jobseeker's allowance, as the name suggests, is paid to you as long as you prove you're looking for employment, not to boot-strap your side hustle as you please, unfortunately.

True, but some have awesome provisions for business creation. For instance in France you can get all of the money you would have received as job seeekers' allowance ( allocation chômage) as startup capital for your own business.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

>I moved to Europe from Northern California Europe is not a single country but a collection of vastly different countries with different opportunities and issues. May I ask which country that is? >almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobseeker's allowance That's not universally true. In some EU countries jobseeker's allowance, as the name suggests, is paid to you as long as you prove you're looking…

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Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

Job seekers allowance is not meant to support immigrants forever without actually seeking a job. That's abusing the system, especially if you're from a wealthy country and never paid into the system in the first place.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Curious on why are you not in the US then? > you typically pay for things anyway (dental care) Ah yes, dental care. The thing that's literelly not included in healthcare in most places. > I would rather commute from a suburb and have a house with a garden. Literally nothing prevents you from doing that in Europe. Houses might be smaller depending on the country, but this exists.

>Literally nothing prevents you from doing that in Europe. Except, you know, money. In DE/AT houses are insanely expresive relative to net pay.

> In DE/AT houses are insanely expresive relative to net pay.

At least you can actually buy a house here. A friend of mine is a teacher and just bought a 180 m² house plus garden in the suburbs of Munich, 20 minutes from the city center.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Eg. net income calculator for Austria: https://onlinerechner.haude.at/Brutto-Netto-Rechner/ People rarely make 80k/year here and everything here is expensive af. I dont recommend anyone young and ambitious to work in tech here.

>I dont recommend anyone young and ambitious to work in tech here.

Austria is, with few exceptions, a very bad market for tech/IT careers. Oversupply of talent but low VC investments, small market with focus on networking, culture that values middle managers way more than ICs, archaic culture with too much emphasis on titles and degrees, high taxes, poor fiber infrastructure in cities, hyper conservative cash-based society, inflexibility to remote work and freelancing for foreign companies due to complex government bureaucracy, high real estate prices(for buying), non-competes are legal and enforceable, all-in contracts with zero overtime pay, 25 vacation days standard for most tech workers, company benefits are non existent unless you count free coffee and a banana, companies focusing more on hiring seniors and rarely hiring or training juniors, almost no product based SW companies with the IT industry being mostly service based (in other words, a cost center); I could go on.

Quality of life is great though but tech careers here are a joke, even Eastern Europe has better and more exiting opportunities now due to the influx of outsourcing from US/UK unicorns.

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Do you have some figures, e.g. rent for one bedroom apartment, cost of an average meal in a restaurant, cost of a season travel pass? Because otherwise it's difficult to judge. I sometimes read other countries complain about their awful rail system, and it turns out "the trains are sometimes 5 minutes late on Wednesdays", as they're used to punctual service at all other times.

You can check numbeo for this. For me this was NEVER relevant. Only what mattered was disposable income.

I find databases regarding cost of living to go quickly out of date.

But looking at Graz, Austria, a 80,000, even if gross, euro salary would provide a very good standard of living.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Graz

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