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468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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The European VC scene has actually been doing pretty well over the last two years and grown fast.[1] Seems slightly under-discussed. What surprised me is how much money even Thiel seems to be pouring into Europe who I never associated with being bullish on the continent. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/25/venture-capitalists-fell-i...

It seems like money was thrown at anything with a heartbeat in the last 2 years - I'm not really sure what to make of it (inflation/low interest rates/bubble?)

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

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Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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The problem Europe has isn't that they lack money, the problem is that all the things US tech companies do to get ahead are illegal in Europe. Out of FAANG, European regulators are decidedly against the F/G and probably have reservations about at least one of the As. I wouldn't feel off guard if it turns out Netflix were impractical in the EU due to challenges both regulatory and linguistic.

> the problem is that all the things US tech companies do to get ahead are illegal in Europe.

FWIW a lot of what US tech companies were doing was actually illegal or at least very dark grey in the US too. Skirting taxi regulations (Uber), hotel regulations (AirBnB) or employment law (all of the "gig economy" startups), everything done under "better ask for forgiveness than for permits"... the problem is twofold:

For one, personal liability of corporate executives has fallen out of favor. Unless you're ordering the outright murder of someone, the "corporate veil" will protect you. That means, as long as you budget in the correct-ish amount of fines, you can do whatever the fuck you want with impunity.

But the main problem is that the political system as a whole isn't very agile to react - it takes years for binding court orders if the opponent has good lawyers, the legislative branch is even slower to react, and both the legislative and the executive branch is often enough either too incompetent or outright bought off. And the "fourth branch" aka media isn't much better either - most media is under the control of big conglomerates or oligarchs.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Eg. net income calculator for Austria: https://onlinerechner.haude.at/Brutto-Netto-Rechner/ People rarely make 80k/year here and everything here is expensive af. I dont recommend anyone young and ambitious to work in tech here.

Do you have some figures, e.g. rent for one bedroom apartment, cost of an average meal in a restaurant, cost of a season travel pass?

Because otherwise it's difficult to judge. I sometimes read other countries complain about their awful rail system, and it turns out "the trains are sometimes 5 minutes late on Wednesdays", as they're used to punctual service at all other times.

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

>I moved to Europe from Northern California Europe is not a single country but a collection of vastly different countries with different opportunities and issues. May I ask which country that is? >almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobseeker's allowance That's not universally true. In some EU countries jobseeker's allowance, as the name suggests, is paid to you as long as you prove you're looking…

In Finland you can get an amount equal to basic unemployment benefits to start a business for a year.

You can get last resort social benefits basically forever if you aren’t actively working much or don’t run a business.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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The problem Europe has isn't that they lack money, the problem is that all the things US tech companies do to get ahead are illegal in Europe. Out of FAANG, European regulators are decidedly against the F/G and probably have reservations about at least one of the As. I wouldn't feel off guard if it turns out Netflix were impractical in the EU due to challenges both regulatory and linguistic.

sounds like the German's auto industry.

maybe instead of focusing why others are successful just go out and do your own thing? at the end Europe is full of unicorns and more startups are coming out of their teams.

The only thing I really see missing in Europe is the lack of dream / vision / going after big goals and having others believe that's possible. but even that gets easier each time you look around and spot a unicorn.

so just go build something

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

>I moved to Europe from Northern California Europe is not a single country but a collection of vastly different countries with different opportunities and issues. May I ask which country that is? >almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobseeker's allowance That's not universally true. In some EU countries jobseeker's allowance, as the name suggests, is paid to you as long as you prove you're looking…

Certainly, but a lot of the things I like are applicable to most of Europe. I moved to Ireland.

You're right re: JSA and JSB (Jobseeker's allowance and benefit) but my neighbours have somehow been on it for 13 years now.....

And yes, I was lucky to buy a cheap house in 2019. But it was under 100k and derelict, I've been fixing it up. Fortunately it has gigabit fibre and is a bike ride from the train.

Re: 468 Capital raises $400M to back European startups

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Great news - I am biased because I moved to Europe from Northern California and might be looking for post-hoc justification for giving up millions of USD over the course of my career but I really think that Europe has a lot to offer. With public healthcare, good social services, reduced transit cost, etc. a bootstrapper can have a MUCH longer runway here - almost indefinite, if you get your expenses lower than Jobsee…

with a lot of people in tech eyeing to move the opposite direction what made you come to Europe?

I was sick of my boss expecting me to read emails on the weekend, I already spent all my vacation time in Europe anyway (mostly DE/AT), and I couldn't stand the short vacations. My wife only got 1 week off a year. At the time, it was much more affordable too - 800 euro a month to rent in the middle of a capital city and live car free. Sadly costs have risen dramatically.

It was meant to be a 6-12 month stay on a working holiday visa but we decided to stick around, and I got sponsored.

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